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    One of the reasons i ask is because I've thought that the idea of beasts fighting mad scientists in one the insane bardos would be just truly all kinds of epic

  • #2
    I imagine they'd be able to perceive them much in the same way as they would other 'human-like' as in mages, psychics etc that they refer to as kin. The only non kin called out are demons from demon the decent.

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    • #3
      Their reaction would probably be perplexed. By and Large, Genius's are also the kids who went to college, like mages, but their language takes them to weird places, at times seemingly in denial of their own nature and at other times revelling deep in it. Still, they both share the idea of society lying to itself and building something out of their transgressions, and if Geniuses are more academic and weird about it than Beasts are, that doesn't stop them from both having a night on the town breaking down most people's perceptions. A Genius and Beast can, in fact, go a long way together, as the Beasts discover the flaws in the species and the Geniuses go to improve them.

      On the conflict side of things, Beasts aren't as hindered by humanity and Geniuses are, and often roll in deep with the masses, where a Genius at their best just has a hard time reconciling with them. A Genius is more likely to lash out as a response. Beasts get this, but depending on how purpose driven they are, they might lash out with them or end up getting in it with the Genius over the point of lashing out. Another related point of contention is the need of the Genius to do their things away from humanity lest the failure state kick it. Beasts are world-walkers, sure, and they'll enjoy the places the Genius goes, but sooner or later, they have to go back to people, where a Genius might just stay in their closet. A Beast probably won't appreciate how fragile their powers are among the throng, and that can lead to a hell of a thing.

      Basically, Beasts are likely to respondto Genius with a "You get it, now come out here and do it." and Geniuses go "You get it, leave that all behind."


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      • #4
        .here's a related question how would a princess from princess the hopeful react to meeting a group geniuses and I wonder If there's any connection between the light of hope and the light of inspiration
        Last edited by the viking anarch; 01-20-2017, 03:33 AM.

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        • #5
          Inspiration is possibly an alien intelligence enacting it's will through the seizing of minds that mostly fit a certain criteria or is the human capacity for self-transformation magnified beyond control.

          The Light of the Hopeful is a remnant of the World Before trying to reassert itself through individuals who sympathize with the metaphysical qualities that it posseses. I make that sound like it's sentient, and it might be, but mostly it's just radiating outward and gets the most out of characters who are catalyzed into lenses for it.

          They might be the same, but it's doubtful, because Inspiration seems to be an inherently self-destructive-and-satisified-with-that force that continues to devour itself and others in the process, where as The Light does ultimately push for creative acts and natures that will build better worlds. These things seem at ends with one another, although one might stabilize the other.

          As for how Princesses and Geniuses get along, tough to say. Certain of the Princesses(Diamonds, I think) might get along great with Geniuses, unless those Geniuses were preoccupied with building death rays, and that aside, those might get along supremely well. As for every other Princess? Eh. While forward thinking, Princesses tend to always keep at least one eye on the present, and while they certainly work to build a better world in ways that make sense and last(fair and just law systems, sustainable practices as regards the environment, deeper understanding of the humanities, squashing the darkest of systems), Princesses are always going to be involved in the here and now as well. Geniuses are limited as far as working in the here and now goes, in the mean time, and even the good ones are as likely to be set against humanity as for it, driven by their extreme emotions that often keep the focus on themselves rather than outside.

          Can they work together? Sure-a Genius that aligns with the Princesses purpose can't ask for a better group of workers, and a genius ready to go out is a massive boon to the Nobilitiy because of the scope of their Wonders. Can they conflict with each other? Far too easily. Geniuses often end up embodying the sort of attitudes and systems that the Nobility regularly throw themselves against.

          But at the end of the day, most of the Princesses probably just incline to leave Geniuses alone, and visa versa, really only interacting on the times that a Genius is actually out and about to act. These two mostly have a relationship akin to Moros and Thyrsus from Mage-so opposite in views and problems that they don't even oppose each other so much. The times they cross are either amazing moments that make you believe in what humanity could become, or a clash of significant magnitude.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by the viking anarch View Post
            .here's a related question how would a princess from princess the hopeful react to meeting a group geniuses
            "Oh, don’t mind us. We’re just watching but um, can we like, be the beautiful lab assistants and shout “It’s Alive!” or something?" - Spades stereotype of mad scientists

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            • #7
              we could probably just link to all the stereotypes, since each of them has one for Geniuses.

              P.S. Spades is me as long as they're not the human experimentation type.



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              • #8
                Okay, looks like the last few posts on this thread went a little off topic, going from Beast/Genius relations to Genius/Princess relations.

                So, I'm gonna ask, is there a way Beasts could act as a socializing influence on Geniuses? I admit I don't know that much about Genius, so I could be asking a really dump question, but since Beasts can more easily socialize than a Genius, couldn't they potentially act as a go between?

                Also, how would Beasts feel about Bardos? Can Beasts form Kinship with living disproven theories?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mangaholic13 View Post
                  So, I'm gonna ask, is there a way Beasts could act as a socializing influence on Geniuses? I admit I don't know that much about Genius, so I could be asking a really dump question, but since Beasts can more easily socialize than a Genius, couldn't they potentially act as a go between?
                  With Genius and socalisation it's a bit more complex. Because Genisues are actually very social. They just kinda suck at it. Put it this way: They built their own pusdo internet in the 18th century so they could communicate better, then they promptly filled it with a nightmarish mess of flamewars, ranting, and petty feuds.

                  My suggestion for how a Beast would fit with Geniuses: Penny from the Big Bang Theory. The guys were social and did plenty of stuff as a group, but Penny quickly found a role helping them avoid social blunders when interacting with regular people and whacking them with a clue bat every time their internal dynamics got too over the top.

                  Originally posted by Mangaholic13 View Post
                  Also, how would Beasts feel about Bardos? Can Beasts form Kinship with living disproven theories?
                  Sure, why not?

                  There's quite a lot of Manes who're thematically supposed to be regular guys. Paper Goblins, or any humans living on Space Station Colossus. So that theme puts them in an edge case, but even they have the supernatural ability to feed on people's brains which strikes me as a good reason for them to be Kin. Something like a Radiance DX-48, definately Kin.


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                  • #10
                    Honestly the Begotten probably wouldn't see that big of a difference between Genii and Mages. Both would be the cousins who go off to college and both try to fit everything into their own well educated but limited world view.

                    Just one builds robots in their garage and the other builds ritual circles in their backyard, and as anyone who's seen rival college students go at it heaven forbid if you guess incorrectly which one is which. (Trick question though, both could fit into either gameline. That's kinda the point I'm trying to make when it comes to the Children's perspective.)
                    Last edited by Dusksage; 10-04-2017, 02:24 PM. Reason: Polish

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                    • #11
                      I'd suggest giving Begotten a bit more insight. I mean, it's just more interesting to have two different groups for Beast PCs to explore interacting with than two of the same groups. Here's how I'd describe the Mage/Genius division:

                      Mages are academia. They get respect, appear on the news to talk about the issues of the day, and are united in lofty causes like the pursuit of knowledge and the betterment of mankind. But look beyond the surface and it's a hot mess of factionalism and petty politics and much of what they create is restricted to expensive academic journals.

                      Geniuses are tech-startup culture. Society thinks they're weird. Newspapers talk about scary big brother algorithms and job stealing robots. Everyone's shamelessly trying to get rich and competing for the approval of venture capitalists who're suit wearing normals. But under the surface people mostly get on with their nominal rivals, and much of what they create is free and open source on github.

                      Obviously some exaggeration is going on here. But I think even outsiders like the Children could see the difference and a Storyteller could use that distinction to double the potential stories to be told.


                      “There are no rules. Only Principles and natural laws.” - Promethius
                      My Homebrew no longer fits in a signature, you can find an index of it here.
                      Full length fan-books I contributed too: Princess: the Hopeful, Leviathan: the Tempest, Dream Catchers

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                      • #12
                        Allow me to clarify: The Begotten community at large would probably recognize two distinct supernatural societies who are both very similar in terms of their levels of power and their insatiable appetite for knowledge and discovery. Overall they would be probably be held in similar regard by the Hive communities at large, and only individual Children and Broods who form kinship with one or the other would better comprehend the greater nuances between both kinds of supernatural beings.

                        My point being that by making the general concensus more ambiguous about Genii and Mages then it allows for genuine discovery to occur then the players encounter one or the other and potentially form kinship with them. Having both sides distinctly known may allow for a more direct approach but it loses that general sense of discovery and wonder. (In other words, keep it vague as hell so the players can have that "There's Wizards and Mad Scientists!?!" moment.)
                        Last edited by Dusksage; 10-04-2017, 02:50 PM. Reason: Polish

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