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  • #16
    What I quoted from YeOfLittleFaith is what I want most of all.

    Back when the game had more of a focus on othering as a theme, I suggested analogues of Heroes for other forms of othering than that outright violence. Like fetishisation - people who are fascinated by Beasts, and want seduce/tame/redeem them, live in Lairs, that sort of thing - people who might seem like they'd be easy to make into servants (and some of them might even think that's what's happening and welcome it), but actually put their own narrative chains on Beasts the way Heroes lay anathema. Or appropriation - people who form cults around the Dark Mother ajnd Primordial Dream - either wanting to become Beasts (whether that's possible or not) - or forcibly fitting Beasts into the structures of their own mythologies, again by narrative chains. The latter could be a subset of the former - "I want you to be my face of divinity, so that's what you're going to be, whether you like it or not."

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    • #17
      Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
      More, even non-canon, parts of Beasts society. Basic BtP is low on their own lore to make them jive in crossovers, but what about us wanting to run a rather strict Begotten games? Some new society variants would be great.

      Examples scenarios to run, like those in Werewolf the Forsaken 2E corebook. Nothing more than 2-3 pages, but springing and highlighting some specifics of Beast gameline as story inspirations.

      And when we are at this - Brood creation rules, similar to WtF Pack creation. Beasts broods maybe are not so extensive as packs, but idea how to connect different beasts would be golden!

      I actually agree with this a lot. I love the crossover information in the Core book, however, I do want to run some strictly Beast games and agree that it seems more initially designed to be crossover first and strict Beast games last.

      Brood creation rules woudl definitely be awesome too. We have Pack creation, Krewe creation, etc. so this would continue that.

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      • #18
        It might have been Player's Guide material, but I'm going to link to a previous post of mine. It seemed to have been positively received:

        Originally posted by Teatime View Post
        Including Mortal relationships could enhance the contrast between the Life and Legend of the Beast, giving each its unique flavor. Also, the Beast attempting to reconcile its new nature with their old life allows for many intense stories. Being rejected or accepted by their human family would shape the Beast's character and inform their relationship with the supernatural.
        Originally posted by Teatime View Post
        I also think that Chambers should be generated by all Integrity loss, not just that caused by the supernatural. Beasts would feel attracted to places representing the worst humanity has to offer, which is excellent story material. It even enhances the present Lesson-teaching philosophy, by pointing out where the Beast might want to get involved. More than that, I think it's an organic way to make even amoral Beasts look better. "Sure" a Beast says, "I'm an abomination, but the world that allows this to happen can also have a place for me".
        Rule hack: Beasts are bizarro-Prometheans. Instead of Elpis and the Principle they have Hunger and the Narrative, that drive the Beast to self-destruction. Unless they resist, they will ruin everything they love and seal their own doom while learning nothing. However, if the Beast grasps at personal development, strives to understand the consequences of their actions, and adopts a code of conduct, there is still hope. They might save what they care about, have their deaths have meaning and maybe even attain their New Dawn - finding balance with the world and forcing the Narrative to accept them. Such a hack would welcome Refinement-inspired philosophy splats.

        Refinement-inspired philosophy splats, would have been great regardless of everything else.


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        • #19
          I'd love to see more exploration of the Primordial Dream, the Hive, and the Narrative that enchains both Beasts and Heroes. Although, speaking of Heroes I'd love to see a little more exploration of the Heroic condition that was teased at in Night Horrors: Conquering Heroes and maybe a few new Gifts for victorious Heroes to claim as their own. Noted: I am one of the minority who absolutely love the way Heroes are written up now (both mechanically and thematically) and encourage further development on that...with the exceptions being included as well (don't think I didn't notice the Integrity 5, 6, and face punching 7 included into Conquering Heroes )

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          • #20
            The weird, shitty relations of Beasts. Not the other player splats, but things like how Beasts related to Haunted Houses, the Mothmen, the Men in Black, and the Black Eyed Children. Unique categories of monsters like the antagonists from the Demon Storyteller's Guide. Actually, a similar crossover section full of system hacks and plot hooks might note be a bad idea either.

            And I'd second a section on how Beasts relate to things like Strix, Huntsmen, and Amkhat.


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            Beast I Changeling | Geist l Hunter l Mage | Mummy | Promethean | Vampire

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            • #21
              I would definitely like more variant heroes- some kind of upgrade/higher-level splat would go a long way to making them more threatening, as would new gifts. Maybe something on the "nice" heroes mentioned in the core book and what they do with their time.

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              • #22
                1) More hungers
                2) more developed Beast politics
                3) More on fleshing out the Primordial Dream with non-lair settings and non-Horror creatures
                4) Lots of possible origins/explanations for Beasts and their kinships
                5) More crunch on developing Kinship Nightmares
                6) Advice on roleplaying kinship with solipsistic/plain evil monsters like Strix, Slashers and Gentry
                7) More Incarnate powers
                8) More Hero Gifts
                9) Beast Cults (I know they are in there)
                10) Beast-related Minor Template
                11) Hero-related Minor Template
                12) More Primordial Dream phenomena
                13) Advice on differentiating the Primordial Dream from Changeling dream worlds, the Hedge, the Astral, etc.
                14) More on the Unfettered and the Rampant
                15) A setting shard which gives Beasts an actual Integrity-equivalent
                16) Setting shard where Heroes actually fulfill their role


                I know some of these were said earlier in the thread, but I want them too so I'll say them anyway
                Last edited by Master Aquatosic; 05-06-2017, 04:57 PM.


                A god is just a monster you kneel to. - ArcaneArts, Quoting "Fall of Gods"

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                • #23
                  More pre-made Atavisms and Nightmares.

                  Also, maybe a section detailing monsters from various mythologies and how they might draw inspiration / parallels to the different families and hungers.

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                  • #24
                    1.Info on how Beasts react to or interact with the God-Machine.
                    2.Rules for Heroes that follow the old-school "spread the lesson" model, rather than the "It's my story and you're just set dressing!" type.
                    3.What are the children of Beasts like?
                    Last edited by shkspr1048; 05-09-2017, 09:46 PM.

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                    • #25
                      I add my vote to the requests for additional options for Heroes and expanded setting for the Primordial Dream.

                      One thing I would like to see is some discussion of what happens if a Beast tries to change their Legend. We know Hungers can change, and a Beast's powers and identity are at least somewhat reciprocally based on the collective subconscious of the mortals they interact with, so what happens when a Beast decides "I want to be more Batman than Jason, hockey masked Horror be damned"?

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                      • #26
                        I'm still in the process of reading the book but have a Beast in my game. And to be honest there are so many holes in this book and so many incomplete and vague things in it. Anything you add in a players or storyteller book would only improve it. What do I want??? An index to the core book. Could we do that? No. Really. That would be the first step in the right direction.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by princeofcincinnati View Post
                          I'm still in the process of reading the book but have a Beast in my game. And to be honest there are so many holes in this book and so many incomplete and vague things in it. Anything you add in a players or storyteller book would only improve it. What do I want??? An index to the core book. Could we do that? No. Really. That would be the first step in the right direction.

                          The core book has an index.

                          I'm probably going to regret asking this, but what the hell. What in the core book do you think is vague, incomplete, or full of holes?


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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by princeofcincinnati View Post
                            I'm still in the process of reading the book but have a Beast in my game. And to be honest there are so many holes in this book and so many incomplete and vague things in it. Anything you add in a players or storyteller book would only improve it. What do I want??? An index to the core book. Could we do that? No. Really. That would be the first step in the right direction.
                            If you don't see an index, are you reading it on PDF? Are you sure you have the final updated version of the PDF? I know that there is one, because that's literally the first page the copy of Beast on my iPad opens to.


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                            Beast I Changeling | Geist l Hunter l Mage | Mummy | Promethean | Vampire

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                            • #29
                              That could be the problem. This pdf does not have an index. It does have a very good table of contents, but the way the book is lay out you need an index.
                              Last edited by princeofcincinnati; 05-31-2017, 10:21 AM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by princeofcincinnati View Post
                                That could be the problem. This pdf does not have an index. It does have a very good table of contents, but the way the book is lay out you need an index.

                                The index is added AFTER the Errata pass (since it would likely change with errata anyway), you probably need to redownload to make sure you have the latest. It may also fix other issues if you dont have the erratad version.


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