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  • Satchel
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    Originally posted by RickmanUK View Post
    If there is no Apex there is no Shared Hive Trait. Not no Hive.
    The Hive Trait is literally the only thing connecting every single Chamber in the hive to every other Chamber in the Hive. Without that unifying feature, you just have a bunch of Chambers that happen to exist in the same general area, which cannot be used in the manner of a hive.

    Originally posted by Paradim View Post

    I would disagree from what the books say.

    Under "The Hive" in the core, page 94: "All of the Chambers in a region are part of a larger system called the hive."

    Under "Hives and Hearts" in the PG, page 151: "Beasts call the sum total of all claimed and unclaimed Chambers in a region, plus the network of Burrows linking the claimed ones into Lairs, the region's Hive."

    I don't really see support saying that without an Apex, there is no Hive. Where do you find that?
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    A follow-up, prompted by checking the books for a different thing:

    The "Here Be Monsters" section on page 67 of the corebook defines "regions" of the Primordial Dream as "areas under a given Apex," and the "Why Do Beasts Fight?" section on page 230 further specifies that what makes a hive is the shared link of its Chambers to the Apex.

    Make of that what you will.

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  • RickmanUK
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    "The hive" is specifically defined by being a bunch of Chambers from the same area connected through the shared influence of the Apex. If there's no Apex then there's just a bunch of disparate Chambers in geographical proximity to each other.
    If there is no Apex there is no Shared Hive Trait. Not no Hive. A Hive Exists in the Dreamscape regardless... just no-one can interact with it.

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  • Paradim
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    "The hive" is specifically defined by being a bunch of Chambers from the same area connected through the shared influence of the Apex. If there's no Apex then there's just a bunch of disparate Chambers in geographical proximity to each other.
    I would disagree from what the books say.

    Under "The Hive" in the core, page 94: "All of the Chambers in a region are part of a larger system called the hive."

    Under "Hives and Hearts" in the PG, page 151: "Beasts call the sum total of all claimed and unclaimed Chambers in a region, plus the network of Burrows linking the claimed ones into Lairs, the region's Hive."

    I don't really see support saying that without an Apex, there is no Hive. Where do you find that?

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  • Satchel
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    Originally posted by Mad_Maudlin View Post
    Yes, the Hive exists whether there's an Apex or not.
    "The hive" is specifically defined by being a bunch of Chambers from the same area connected through the shared influence of the Apex. If there's no Apex then there's just a bunch of disparate Chambers in geographical proximity to each other.

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  • Mad_Maudlin
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    Yes, the Hive exists whether there's an Apex or not.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    So can Hive exists without Apex? Cause one of major stories I wanted to tale is that in small town, there is no Apex right now...

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  • RickmanUK
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    Also the Apex does not have to be a Beast... Most Commonly it is but it doesn't have too be.
    So if the Local "Bigshot" is a Vampire... they can Taint the Hive towards what makes a Vampire more Feared (If i read it right that is).

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  • IceBen
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    Originally posted by Tessie View Post
    I don't see anything implying that an Apex could have multiple Hives under themselves. Rather, any Lairs under an Apex would be considered part of the same Hive.
    Yeah, most likely region = hive.

    But in that case my question still stands, hives are interconnected in the primordial dream, can Horrors use that?

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  • Tessie
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    I don't see anything implying that an Apex could have multiple Hives under themselves. Rather, any Lairs under an Apex would be considered part of the same Hive.

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  • IceBen
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    A follow-up, prompted by checking the books for a different thing:

    The "Here Be Monsters" section on page 67 of the corebook defines a "regions" of the Primordial Dream as "areas under a give Apex," and the "Why Do Beasts Fight?" section on page 230 further specifies that what makes a hive is the shared link of its Chambers to the Apex.

    Make of that what you will.
    Oh :O So pretty much everything has an apex, and an apex can "rule" over multiple hives.
    But does that quote mean that if an apex acts as a gate, then any local horror can wander to the other half of the earth to feed? (That must be annoying for heroes. And the Apex.)
    Last edited by IceBen; 05-04-2018, 11:09 AM. Reason: For clarification

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  • ajf115
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    A follow-up, prompted by checking the books for a different thing:

    The "Here Be Monsters" section on page 67 of the corebook defines a "regions" of the Primordial Dream as "areas under a give Apex," and the "Why Do Beasts Fight?" section on page 230 further specifies that what makes a hive is the shared link of its Chambers to the Apex.

    Make of that what you will.
    Now I'm picturing an Apex who wants to be a conqueror, expanding their Hive outwards and subsuming those of others.

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  • Satchel
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    A follow-up, prompted by checking the books for a different thing:

    The "Here Be Monsters" section on page 67 of the corebook defines "regions" of the Primordial Dream as "areas under a given Apex," and the "Why Do Beasts Fight?" section on page 230 further specifies that what makes a hive is the shared link of its Chambers to the Apex.

    Make of that what you will.
    Last edited by Satchel; 05-04-2018, 11:23 AM. Reason: Typos.

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  • Wormwood
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    Pretty much, yes.
    Maybe a bit of the outskirts, too.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    But I get it right that Hive means 'all the Chambers that reflect our town/region/area' on general? So Edinburgh's Hive is basically Primordial version of Edinburgh + Beasts Lairs?
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 04-21-2018, 12:20 AM.

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  • ArcaneArts
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    A good guideline is common consensus of sense of territory.

    Basically, local is what most locals think it is.

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