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  • #16
    Originally posted by tasti man LH View Post
    Oh also so there isn't any confusion:

    The Beast and the Horror are considered two separate and distinctive entities.

    While both depend on the mutual survival of the other they are still their own entity, with motivations and desires that aren't necessarily shared by the other.
    Eeeyergh-

    This is technically correct and incorrect at the same time. The Horror is it's own entity in the same way as your Jungian Shadow or Freudian Id is it's own entity. Just because it has more metaphysical autonomy than the average person's does doesn't make it less an extension of you than not.

    It is and isn't you at the same time.

    EDIT: Another point on the tangle here:

    As the Horror is a Mother's Land Dreamborn/Anima Mundi Goetia stewed in the collective humanity in the Primordial Dream until it has become a Primordial Dream Horror/Temenos Goetia but with quirks, and it's currently incarnating through the actualization with an individual soul/Onieros, you have an awkward situation where you represent both yourself and a larger fundamental of humanity, and as such you are those people.

    Being a Beast is like....weird metaphor, but run with it: You are an American, so America is you, but you aren't America, but at the same time you could grasp it and make it so you are America, and with that change what it means to be an American.

    There is an odd relationship between where You are not Your Horror, but at the same time Your Horror is You, and because of that you get to say More of What Your Horror is, but not at the cost of the Horror being a big part of Who you Are.
    Last edited by ArcaneArts; 09-10-2019, 05:16 PM.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by ArcaneArts View Post
      Eeeyergh-

      This is technically correct and incorrect at the same time. The Horror is it's own entity in the same way as your Jungian Shadow or Freudian Id is it's own entity. Just because it has more metaphysical autonomy than the average person's does doesn't make it less an extension of you than not.

      It is and isn't you at the same time.
      My last sentence and "aren't necessarily" are the operative words here. XD

      I only bring this up because, when we only had the corebook, there was a lot of sentiment going around on people (particularly Beast's most vocal critics) about how the Beast and Horror were one and the same, that once the Devouring happened the Beast 150% became their Horror, that's what makes them Beasts, no questions asked. BPG changes that by making it clearer that they're technically separate entities, and that it's entirely up to the player decide what level of relationship the Beast and Horror has.

      But yes, it can vary a lot. Hrm. Kind of reminds me a lot of the Psyche and Shadow in Wraith: the Oblivion now that you put it like that...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by K9ine View Post

        Being a mage player I kind of like this, but I wish they had more possibilities. It seems weird that a Makara comes from a dream of a sea monster rather than being related to a real flesh and blood sea monster for instance.
        The larva finds a chamber in the Mists that is sea monster themed, and lo and behold, sea monster. As Building a Legend shows, however, horrors don't have to originate from something that resembles them (an example given was a mage throwing lightning creating nightmares of dragons).

        Where possible, I like to have horrors be close to the originals, though.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by tasti man LH View Post
          there was a lot of sentiment going around on people (particularly Beast's most vocal critics) about how the Beast and Horror were one and the same, that once the Devouring happened the Beast 150% became their Horror, that's what makes them Beasts, no questions asked
          Yeah. My interpretation was very much that its supposed to be similar to horror=the beast within, devouring = embracing (except its usually the culmination of a preexisting condition).

          But you basically have beasts that become what they are more similar to a mage (fell too deeply asleep/were consumed during an astral journey), similar to a werewolf (its in the blood/favor of the Dark Mother) or more similar to a vampire (initiated by another beast). The similarities are imperfect, because they only resemble other supernaturals, they aren't the same supernatural.

          That being said, I do think I'll have my beast flirt with the notion that they are horror puppetteering a soulless husk around, that is overjoyed to have such a beautiful form when it is such a hideous creature.

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