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  • wyrdhamster
    started a topic Beasts as other monsters

    Beasts as other monsters

    Imagine that you have a monsters group – coterie, pack, cabal, etc. New member joins it – one of the Beasts. Who is he? What is his Family? Why do you choose it?

    In other words – This topic is what are iconic Families related to monster Kin. I would focus on Families, as almost any monster type can have any Hunger work for it.

    Here are mine examples for Big Three:
    • VampiresUgallu – Many Nightmares can be connected to the Kindred, but most basic is that they can snatch you anywhere. And they are, in reality, everywhere. They treat you like birds of prey, circling their victims from the skies they build in human cities. Also, they Kin is strongly associated with Strix, and by those smoke born Owl spirits of Lilith – Dark Mother they share with Raptors.
    • Werewolves Eshmaki – There are things in the night. Distant howling. Shadow of inhuman figure. Perfect hunters under the auspice of the Moon. Uratha are the reason you are afraid of darkness and loneliness – and they will gladly remind you about this. More of that – they really are always near you – when they not look like one of Horrors born from Primordial Dream – they could be your sibling, partner, friend or even just random men on the street. And you will do not know until it’s too late…
    • Mages Makara – Nightmares of Depths are siblings to Awakened, as they understand one another the best. Both members of family know things better left under the waves, both dwell in the human subconcises, memories and things best forgotten. They uncover ancient places of lost knowledge and power. And both have a yearning Abyss close to them. Only Makara embrace it in contrast to most sorcerers. Still, Supernal Souls of mages are entrenched in Ocean Ouroboros – place where Makara swim like a fish in a big pond.
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 06-24-2015, 03:19 PM.

  • ArcaneArts
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    Originally posted by ajf115 View Post
    Honestly, I can easily see them as a combination of all three - they certainly embody the fear of being trapped in a horrible social situation, with their Wake and Cults.
    If I allowed myself to break a two-family limit, I'd end up saying all of them apply to ally of them in some form or fashion because they do.

    Still, yeah.

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  • ajf115
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    Originally posted by ArcaneArts View Post
    Yeah, I was chewing on that one. I enjoy the idea of confinement as a metaphor for being unable to escape cataclysm, but Really Anakim and Makara is the better fit.
    Honestly, I can easily see them as a combination of all three - they certainly embody the fear of being trapped in a horrible social situation, with their Wake and Cults.

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  • ArcaneArts
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    Originally posted by ajf115 View Post
    I'm gonna quibble this one. I see your reasoning, but the Leviathans are intimately related to the fear of the deeps, outer space, the spaces between spaces, and the fear of drowning in madness.
    Yeah, I was chewing on that one. I enjoy the idea of confinement as a metaphor for being unable to escape cataclysm, but Really Anakim and Makara is the better fit.

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  • ajf115
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    Originally posted by ArcaneArts View Post
    Leviathans-Anakim and Talassi
    I'm gonna quibble this one. I see your reasoning, but the Leviathans are intimately related to the fear of the deeps, outer space, the spaces between spaces, and the fear of drowning in madness.

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  • ArcaneArts
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    Sure.

    Vampires-Makara and Eshmaki
    Werewolves-Eshmaki and Namtaru
    Mages-Ugallu and Inguma
    Prometheans-Namtaru and Inguma
    Changelings-Inguma and Makara
    Hunters-Inguma and Eshmaki
    Sin-Eaters-Anakim and Talassi
    Mummies-Anakim and Makara
    Demons-Inguma and Ugallu

    and why not, some fan splats.

    Geniuses-Anakim and Eshmaki
    Princesses-Inguma and Makara
    ​Leviathans-Anakim and Makara
    Last edited by ArcaneArts; 11-27-2018, 07:26 PM.

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  • FallenEco
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    We have two new families to consider. Anyone want to take a crack at this again?

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  • GibberingEloquence
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    What about the fansplats? I'm familiar with Genius, but I'm still having trouble choosing a pair of Families for them. The mechanics for Havoc, Unmada Fields, spending Mania to mess with technology, inflicting the Beholden template and so on make me think of the Eshmaki. An all-consuming, rampant brilliance that burns like a dragon's fire and poisons minds like so much industrial smog. Their unstoppable need to create and tinker threatens them and others with madness and ruin.

    I'd combine that with Anakim. Their plans and obsessions assume gigantic proportions just as their designs multiply like a fractal, looming over the unInspired no matter how many times everything goes haywire.

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  • GibberingEloquence
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    After some reconsideration, I'd say changelings are Ugallu + Makara instead of Makara + Eshmaki.

    The otherworldly beauty and misleading illusions resonate with the fear of hidden depths embodied by the Makara. Changelings are also skilled at traversing a realm that tears the flesh and minds of those who aren't ready, just as the Makara make oceans and caves their home ground.

    The dread of being followed everywhere while awake or dreaming resonates with the fear of exposure embodied by the Ugallu. Besides that, those who deal with changelings feel exposed because any statement or action that is poorly thought out can be turned into a curse. Furthermore, the Perception bonuses given by high Clarity in 2ED make changelings extremely hard to deceive or hide from. Finally, they are masters at figuring out what emotions make you tick, and can use that against you when you are at your most unstable.

    I'd say the Huntsmen are Ugallu + Eshmaki, while the True Fae are Anakim + Eshmaki.

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  • Caitiff Primogen
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    Were I to associate Prometheans with a family I would go with either the Anakim or the Namtaru.

    The Anakim don't fit well with all Prometheans, but the Frankenstein, Tammuz, and even Osirans all have a bit of it in their conception. That which cannot be overcome. The implacable doom. A Promethean in the throes of Torment may represent this better than any other splat in my opinion. They also have most of a Transmutation and a fighting style devoted to terrifying feats of strength.

    The Namtaru for the most part work nicely with the idea of Promethean disfigurements. Marks of their inhuman creation that can never be hidden forever and which indelibly set them apart. There's also the undercurrent of body horror that runs through Promethean, both mutable and visceral.

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  • GibberingEloquence
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    I get the feeling that Deviants might be Namtaru + Eshmaki, similarly to Prometheans.

    Mummies could be Anakim + Namtaru. When newly awakened, they are terrifying engines of destruction. Even as their Sekhem falls, they are extremely driven creatures that can take all sorts of punishment before going down. And they always come back.

    They are also very much remnants of an uglier time, and their mission is to infect our time with a vision of society that is glorious to them but abhorrent to us. From their point of view, we are the despicable and insignificant ones. They have the aura of a neolithic abomination when they rise from their Tombs as well.

    In more crunchy terms: Sybaris = Looming Presence, Undead Flesh = Unbreakable, Pillar Boosts And Affinities = Mimir's Wisdom/Cyclopean Strength/Titanic Blow and Biblical Utterances = Looming Presence/Basilisk's Touch/Infestation. Tombs have a Looming Presence/Shadowed Soul vibe as well.
    Last edited by GibberingEloquence; 03-29-2016, 06:14 AM.

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  • ArcaneArts
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    And Siren's Treacherous Song.

    I'd peg the Mummies as Namtaru.

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  • GibberingEloquence
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    Originally posted by ArcaneArts View Post
    Plus that damned sex appeal and making people do what you want stuff.
    I figured that the overwhelming charisma of Vampires resonated with the Anakim, but now that I think about it, the Giants generally have a blunt approach to social challenges, as shown by their Looming Presence Atavism, which gives Rote Quality to Intimidation.

    The Makara, on the other hand, have Alien Allure as one of their Atavisms, which is more in line with the seductive approach that Vampires favor.

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  • ArcaneArts
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    Blood. Rivers of the stuff. Oceans of it. The sun-drowning, brain-blotting, eardrum-filling tidal pulse of the Leviathans has a gravity that resonates quite strongly with the Kindred and their saturation-based innate magic.

    The Eshmaki, by contrast, are naturals at the Lost's game of masks.
    Plus that damned sex appeal and making people do what you want stuff.

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  • GibberingEloquence
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    Blood. Rivers of the stuff. Oceans of it. The sun-drowning, brain-blotting, eardrum-filling tidal pulse of the Leviathans has a gravity that resonates quite strongly with the Kindred and their saturation-based innate magic.

    The Eshmaki, by contrast, are naturals at the Lost's game of masks.
    I like your choice of words, they're very evocative. I should have made the "oceans of blood" and "bottomless need" connection.

    I considered associating Eshmaki with Changelings, but I didn't because of my stubborn idea of Eshmaki as lethally deceitful and destructive in tooth and claw. But now that you used the "game of masks" expression, I remembered my homebrewed Masked Fiend Atavism (which is all about sneaky shape-shifting), which in turn made me remember a comment you once made about Kitsunes and other fox spirits being like Eshmaki, so now "Eshmaki-As-Trickster" sounds just as viable as "Eshmaki-As-Killer" to me. Thanks a lot, I always had quite a bit of trouble groking the essential aspects of the Eshmaki.

    Following that, I'm now associating Changelings with Eshmaki + Makara. The Namtaru might not have the exact same flavor of hideousness that grins at the core of many fae.

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