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  • #46
    Originally posted by RickmanUK View Post

    Well Regnan was a literal translation of Ascendant into Latin (according to google translate, yeah not the greatest source) the name can be changed into something abit better.
    Ah, I see. You know, you could probably just use 'Ascendant'.


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    • #47
      Originally posted by ajf115 View Post

      Ah, I see. You know, you could probably just use 'Ascendant'.
      True. I just didn't want to use that because alot of people use that, It does make the most sense.


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      • #48
        Hmm. Would Colleges make sense to break out into a separate topic for discussion?


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
          Hmm. Would Colleges make sense to break out into a separate topic for discussion?
          Guess so. This thread was meant to include Primordial Dream stuff, though I'm totally fine with it becoming the "Beast Homebrew". Still, I think trying to keep it clear and organized in entries without many discussions between each other is probably for the best


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          • #50
            Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
            Hmm. Would Colleges make sense to break out into a separate topic for discussion?

            Yep, I'd say so. I'd connect it to the "Justifications" thread too. Colleges solves the name problem


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            • #51
              Originally posted by Cinder View Post
              Guess so. This thread was meant to include Primordial Dream stuff, though I'm totally fine with it becoming the "Beast Homebrew". Still, I think trying to keep it clear and organized in entries without many discussions between each other is probably for the best
              Originally posted by Master Aquatosic View Post
              Yep, I'd say so. I'd connect it to the "Justifications" thread too. Colleges solves the name problem
              Started the thread. So far, it is just the ideas I already listed. Hoping discussion with elaborate things further, and establish a template for people to come up with Colleges easily.


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              • #52
                Gram
                Base Item: Sword, Long (Damage 3, Initiative -2, Minimum Strength 2, Size 3)
                [Desc. - based on the sword from the Volsunga Saga.]
                Legend: Coveted - The sword evokes a desire to possess it far beyond its own merits. Displaying the weapon to envious onlookers restores a point of the wielder's Willpower. When powerful forces attempt to steal or extort it from its owner, the bearer fully restores their own Willpower.
                Powers:
                • Ignore Armor - No form of Armor or Durability applies to attacks made by the weapon. Neither the finest steel, nor thickest dragonscale impedes the edge of the blade.
                • Unbreakable - Damage and powers from less than godly sources (Ephemerals of Rank 6 or greater, Incarnate Beasts, Archmasters, other Mythic weapons, etc.) cannot bypass the item's Durability.
                Last edited by Vent0; 04-28-2017, 08:31 AM.


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                • #53
                  Actually, what if the exact form isn't constant? "Gram" is famous for being a sword, but the same Mythic Dream Archetype could have applied to other weapons in times past, or even a sniper rifle in modern times?


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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
                    Actually, what if the exact form isn't constant? "Gram" is famous for being a sword, but the same Mythic Dream Archetype could have applied to other weapons in times past, or even a sniper rifle in modern times?

                    I dunno about a sniper rifle. Gram sounds like something you want to show off. If you're doing it right, no one ever sees your sniper rifle. What about a really cool assault rifle?


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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Master Aquatosic View Post


                      I dunno about a sniper rifle. Gram sounds like something you want to show off. If you're doing it right, no one ever sees your sniper rifle. What about a really cool assault rifle?
                      Works too - I'm just trying to illustrate that the specific form of the weapon may change, it is the Legend/Myth behind it that is important.

                      Maybe a really gaudy Glock, too?


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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Vent0 View Post

                        Works too - I'm just trying to illustrate that the specific form of the weapon may change, it is the Legend/Myth behind it that is important.

                        Maybe a really gaudy Glock, too?

                        I dunno about gaudy. It needs to be something elegant and powerful looking. Something that anyone, even people with good taste would want. That said, a glock works.

                        EDIT: I really like your general idea about a weapon of Myth. I'm just discussing appropriate forms because I like the nitty-gritty stuff.
                        Last edited by Master Aquatosic; 04-28-2017, 10:19 AM.


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                        • #57
                          While working on the Dark Era I'm writing I wrote a bunch of stuff about the Primordial Dream. They're meant to be used in the context of the Era but hey, toolbox approach. If you like them there's nothing that stops you for using one or more of those, even if they might be less incisive. Thought I might share those here as well, all things considered.

                          The post where I wrote those is this one, and there's more by scrolling below
                          Last edited by Cinder; 04-28-2017, 07:56 PM.


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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by ajf115 View Post
                            Leliel said this, so I take no responsibility or credit. I just thought that it was a kinda cool idea and decided to post it over here.

                            Actually, let me start it up:

                            Entry #Whatever: Dark Lords


                            The Primordial Dream is many things, but above all else, it is a human dream. It is born of the place where, as the great Sir Terry Prachett once said, where the falling angel meets the rising ape. It's the zone where instinct and feeling become thought and true emotion, the unrefined material of the sentient soul.

                            Thinking it isn't shaped by what is purely fear of myth is a fool's errand. People may forever be driven by fear of being eaten despite humanity being the Platonic ideal of an apex predator, but fear of far more practical things generally takes precedent. Fear of bankruptcy, fear of loss, fear of the self, in certain circumstances. Often, that fear is of other people, which is quite possibly the most conflicted set of phobias in the cosmos. On the one hand, you have the fear tyrants have of their people, racists of their chosen scapegoat, the fear an abusive mother feels that her children will one day turn on her, never questioning why that is. On the other, you have the fear the oppressed feel towards oppressors-on the one hand, that fear can be a cage, but it also helps the people remember that this is not right. I am not happy. Fear is a smothering parent, but it is a parent. It wants to keep people safe.

                            Too much fear, though, and that parent becomes the accomplice with the monsters outside the door. Machiavelli was not actually that cold of a man, but he was incredibly insightful-love can be betrayed by people who put their own selfish needs first, but fear strikes down hero and villain alike. And where the fear the strong have for the weak and the weak have for the strong meet, in the Dream they can mate-and a human monster with no Horror is born.

                            "Dark Lord" are a somewhat cheeky name Beasts have for when, for lack of a better term, an otherwise normal human being with, at most, minor supernatural abilities develops a Lair. How it starts is always the same : initially, fear of a specific person grows so great that it forms free Chambers, which by nature are informed by the source's personality and actions. A cruel businessman who burns everything in his pursuit of an ever fatter pocketbook forms a golden temple to profit, with statues of him as the Great Seer of Capital looking down upon a juicy jeweled globe. An anarchist for whom the deaths of dozens is a sad necessity builds a fortress staffed by faceless soldiers, all proclaiming their lover for her revolution and its holy violence. Most of the time, that's where it ends-the Chamber is absorbed into a true Lair or dissolves, depending on circumstance. Sometimes, though, the Chambers keep forming; the businessman terrorizes his family too in the name of efficiency and ambition, the anarchist's acts of terror leave scars both physical and dreamlike. These Chambers are invariably quite similar, for the same reason a Begotten's Lair looks like it is all part of the same location; they're all issue of the same soul. And like a group of siblings, they congregate-space warps so that each can be reached from pathways between each other, no matter how far apart they are.

                            When they reach a critical mass-generally, about six or over separate Chambers is a good baseline-they get even closer, and merge into one, continuous landscape that exists everywhere the original Chambers did, though the largest mass is generally near the first Earth location that the initial Chamber was spun off of. This new, singular form develops a primal, instinctive intellect, not unlike an amoeba's. Like any animal, it wants to keep living and growing-and it instinctively knows that the only way to do that is if its unknowing parent keeps creating new Chambers. So it seeks them out, an eldritch stray finding a master. Much of the time, it fails and dissolves back into its components-it can't tell what its parent looks like to begin with, let alone find him from the other side of the Dream. But if the parent has enough fear himself, particularly of someone taking his Aspirations away, it can follow that scent instead, instinctively recognizing a smell like itself. If it does find him, all of his personal contribution to the dream congregates in a single Astral location as an item or a creature, embodying its owner's dearest wish-a substitute Heart, for a newly ascendant Dark Lord.

                            The transition from pure mortal to Dark Lord is a subtle one. In fact, it's something of a misnomer to call it a change at all-the Dark Lord doesn't have anything happen to her at all, not even mentally, because all of her powers are more like a dog doing tricks than any newfound capability on her part. She does, however, sense her new Lair (more properly known as a Principality) snuggle itself up to her soul, in much the same way one senses the presence of another person subconsciously without knowing you heard or saw anything. It feels...secure. The Dark Lord instinctively senses that her new symbiote is powerful and completely dedicated to protecting her and her interests from all comers. This suits the Principality fine, as the kind of people who become Dark Lords react to their new sense of security by performing more of the same actions that create Chambers in the first place; Chambers form, after all, only in response to actions that lead to another's loss of Integrity. Quite simply, the glowering lord of the castle doesn't get that way by being a spectacularly nice person.

                            For most, that's the end of it-most Dark Lords dismiss the feeling as anything but greater self-confidence and luck when it comes to pursuing their goals/escaping consequences for their actions. Many are undone by Beasts who both want the free Chambers from a destroyed Principality and to punish the arrogant jerk, while many more are undone by Heroes who scent their connection to the Dream and recognize, even if they aren't Beasts, they're still monsters who must be stopped (Beasts tend to take the Heroes' side in this-while they "ping" as family, Dark Lords are considered to be unwelcome thieves of the Dream's power for petty and irresponsible ends). Most of the time, they don't even need to be killed; Principalities are fragile things without a true Horror to regulate them, and if the Heart (also called a Crown), is taken, destroyed, or has the desire it represents renounced by the Dark Lord. the pseudo-Lair dissolves into its components. But humans are not always blind, willfully or otherwise-sometimes, a Dark Lord notices his dreams are oddly prophetic, or that his luck is preternaturally good. Sometimes he was already an occultist, or just possesses an intuitive knack for sensing the dream. Whatever the case, it's easy for a Dark Lord to project his mind into his Principality-it just requires a few minutes introspection, and most do it accidentally. Once they realize this strange, oddly compelling landscape is, in effect, their own dream, inevitably they soon realize the Dream can affect reality. Or spawn its own servants.

                            Wise Beasts should be very afraid. Dark Lords tend to deserve the name.

                            (Note: I will say there's probably a Merit for when the Lord realizes his desires are causing harm, but wants to turn them to good use).


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                            • #59
                              In this case, would the Principality merge with the nascent Dark Lord's Oneiros, or would it simply take up space in it? Could a Dark Lord conceivably physically enter their Principality? Would their Daimon take the place of a Horror?

                              Crap, now you've gotten me thinking. I've got a Mage Legacy and a Changeling Entitlement focused around becoming a Dark Lord rattling about in my head now. On the other hand, perhaps such a Dark Lord would be more suitable as a Mage/Beast crossover splat, similar to the Admonitoria for Changeling/Vampire? Or maybe Heroes can become Dark Lords? Heroes gone really wrong?


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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Arcanist View Post
                                In this case, would the Principality merge with the nascent Dark Lord's Oneiros, or would it simply take up space in it? Could a Dark Lord conceivably physically enter their Principality? Would their Daimon take the place of a Horror?

                                Crap, now you've gotten me thinking. I've got a Mage Legacy and a Changeling Entitlement focused around becoming a Dark Lord rattling about in my head now. On the other hand, perhaps such a Dark Lord would be more suitable as a Mage/Beast crossover splat, similar to the Admonitoria for Changeling/Vampire? Or maybe Heroes can become Dark Lords? Heroes gone really wrong?
                                Like if a Hero just says "F it", and stops fighting nightmares to become one themselves? A kind of Hero-Incarnate?


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                                Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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