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    I'm interesting how you see Abyss/Beast interaction and reactions. You know like those found in the invaders from the abyss. You can also post short snippets.

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    Depends on the intrusion. Most would probably be the kind of thing that causes Begotten to awkwardly point out that just because something may or may not be family doesn't mean you have only a duty to help it. Sometimes you're the only creature that can stop your cousin (assuming they count as such-they're even more alien to Earth than the God-Machine, because at least the Machine can be considered a naturalized citizen of Terra at this point, gulmoth and acamoth are more akin to reality's barbarians at the gates that occasionally sneak in to ruin everyone's days). Sometimes the Beast may not realize the spatial anomaly is actually a creature in its own right (see the Twisting Maze, which is implied to be a sentient warp in time-space).

    However, there's a literally infinite variety of intruders, some of which aren't truly natives of the Abyss. The Ravaged and the Ludin Sisters from Unbidden spring to mind-yeah, they're jerks, but they're jerks in human ways, and the Ludins are mostly grouchy, apathetic, and petty rather than malicious (and anti-Semites, but they're explicitly not Nazis anymore). They're also humans who have been mutated by the Abyss, and in the case of the Ravaged can be considered victims. I can see a Makara befriending the Ludins and discussing the affairs of the Awakened and reckless over tea, or a Namtaru attempting to find a way for the Ravaged to live without having to flay people.

    I can't say the Begotten would be fans of Abyssal Imprints, though-too much like Heroes, as in almost exactly, except aimed at mages and functioning exactly as they're supposed to.


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    • #3
      I do believe Leliel summed it up best.

      The only other thing I would add is that most Abyssal Entities are rather short lived. Unless they're one of the more powerful or stable Invaders then I'd imagine they'd be more of a passing fancy for the Begotten. Although if they were one of the more powerful ones...well just image what would happen if a Beast got their hands on the Prince of Fallen Leaves? (Wait, was the Prince of Fallen Leaves an Abyssal Intruder?)
      Last edited by Dusksage; 11-07-2016, 06:14 AM. Reason: Spellcheck

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      • #4
        The Prince is an Annunaki, one of several being/worlds that is to Abyssal entities as the Primordial Dream is to Beasts.


        Dave Brookshaw, Mage and Deviant Developer, writer of many things

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dave Brookshaw View Post
          The Prince is an Annunaki, one of several being/worlds that is to Abyssal entities as the Primordial Dream is to Beasts.
          Would you think some beasts feel kinship to the Abyss?

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          • #6
            No.

            (characters!)


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            • #7
              Can you elaborate on that?


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              • #8
                Beasts have kinship with posthuman or prehuman monsters - anything like them. As the Beast corebook says, this even leads to a two-tier thing where creatures like werewolves are more Kin than more tangental cases like mages. Demons are sufficiently not-human to not be Kin.

                If an Unchained Demon, a machine-mind pretending to be human, isn't valid for Kinship, then a bundle of poisionous anti-symbols shed from a still born alternate world definitely isn't.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dave Brookshaw View Post
                  Beasts have kinship with posthuman or prehuman monsters - anything like them. As the Beast corebook says, this even leads to a two-tier thing where creatures like werewolves are more Kin than more tangental cases like mages. Demons are sufficiently not-human to not be Kin.

                  If an Unchained Demon, a machine-mind pretending to be human, isn't valid for Kinship, then a bundle of poisionous anti-symbols shed from a still born alternate world definitely isn't.

                  Aren't Spirits Kin, though? They aren't really post or pre-human.

                  And what's not human about Unchained? They eat, sleep, and feel like anyone else. They even have Virtues and Vices. They are, after all, professionally human.


                  Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
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                  • #10
                    Unchained disguise themselves as humans, and even to an extent identify with humans, but they're not human and never were.

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                    • #11
                      It's kinda irrelevant anyway. However human or not you want Demons to be, the G-M and it's rogue servants still aren't classed as Kin.

                      You know, I've always been struck by the parrallel use of the Chaoskampf mythology between the Dark Mother and the Abyss... I could see a Beast being quite intrigued by the similarity up until they actually met something from the Abyss.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dave Brookshaw View Post
                        Beasts have kinship with posthuman or prehuman monsters - anything like them.
                        The book says that creatures which were never human and never will be human (such as "inhuman spirits") are classed as descended from the night mother and thus they have kinship with. Humanity has nothing to do with whether beasts can consider something kin.

                        Demons are sufficiently not-human to not be Kin.
                        Orange spirits are kin for godsake.... Demons are closer to humans than orange spirits are. It's nothing to do with how human the creature is.

                        If an Unchained Demon, a machine-mind pretending to be human, isn't valid for Kinship
                        Fetches are considered to be descended from the nightmother so being machines infused with supernatural forces who are just pretending to be human has nothing to do with it.
                        Last edited by milo v3; 11-07-2016, 08:42 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dave Brookshaw View Post
                          Beasts have kinship with posthuman or prehuman monsters - anything like them. As the Beast corebook says, this even leads to a two-tier thing where creatures like werewolves are more Kin than more tangental cases like mages. Demons are sufficiently not-human to not be Kin.
                          Kinda offtopic but I wanna know, how do Beasts relate to Spirits and Ghosts, if not Angels in that context?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by milo v3 View Post

                            Fetches are considered to be descended from the nightmother so being machines infused with supernatural forces who are just pretending to be human has nothing to do with it.
                            No, but there's an important component of them that's human. The shadow-soul.

                            An Unchained is just wearing the face, a fetch is actually a part of their changeling that's been given their own body.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Leliel View Post

                              No, but there's an important component of them that's human. The shadow-soul.

                              An Unchained is just wearing the face, a fetch is actually a part of their changeling that's been given their own body.
                              An Unchained is wearing their souls metaphysical position. Pretty sure that's a bit more than the already irrelevant part of a changeling's soul.

                              Demons aren't kin because Reasons. Can we move on?


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