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David Hill has left OPP: What happens to Changeling Now? [Changeling is still happening]

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  • #31
    Originally posted by RomulusGloriosus View Post

    From what David himself has said in the "Tokyo Timeline" thread, the only thing that has changed is that he is no longer developing for Onyx Path. He has expressed interest in continuing to write, and that he would love to bring Tokyo to the other lines. So it is completely plausible that you may still see Tokyo pop up in the remaining core books.

    Not guaranteed anymore, but, it still definitely could be.
    By that, does he mean that he's just another freelance writer now?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by tasti man LH View Post

      By that, does he mean that he's just another freelance writer now?
      He's working on horror games of his own that look quite exciting.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by hm8453a View Post

        He's working on horror games of his own that look quite exciting.
        I'd love to see more Machine Age stuff!


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        • #34
          Originally posted by tasti man LH View Post

          By that, does he mean that he's just another freelance writer now?

          Bear in mind that Onyx Path only has five full-time employees: Rich Thomas, Lisa Thomas, Mike Chaney, Rose Bailey, and Matt McElroy. All of the rest of us -- from social media to editing to artists to indexers to writers to developers -- are "just" freelancers.


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          • #35
            Originally posted by hm8453a View Post
            He's working on horror games of his own that look quite exciting.
            You couldn't throw out some more specifics there? (I mean that as a request, not snark).

            Sad to see Dave Hill go from OPP though.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
              You couldn't throw out some more specifics there? (I mean that as a request, not snark).

              Sad to see Dave Hill go from OPP though.
              He's been posting excerpts and tidbits on his personal FB page, and he just started a page for the game series, which is called More Than Night. Mena wrote a short story that he posted this morning.


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              • #37
                Originally posted by hm8453a View Post
                He's been posting excerpts and tidbits on his personal FB page, and he just started a page for the game series, which is called More Than Night. Mena wrote a short story that he posted this morning.
                Thanks v much.

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                • #38
                  I'm even more excited to see where Changeling 2E goes now that Rose is the developer.


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                  • #39
                    Changeling 2e isn't going to be the game I was looking forward to any more, given how much of David's work has apparently been cut out. Pass.


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                    • #40
                      I'm just looking forwards to how Changeling 2e goes; while I am excited for what the previous previews showed me, I'm also keeping an open mind for how the game will end up. It's like playing the Beta of a videogame; you may like what's in there, and sad when it's changed, but overall there will be more stuff in the full game than the Beta and that's something to love too.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Taidragon View Post
                        I'm just looking forwards to how Changeling 2e goes; while I am excited for what the previous previews showed me, I'm also keeping an open mind for how the game will end up. It's like playing the Beta of a videogame; you may like what's in there, and sad when it's changed, but overall there will be more stuff in the full game than the Beta and that's something to love too.
                        Except we had 90% of game (and there was already 100% of the game that David sent to onyx path), betas are normally iterative design but this is "let's scrap the major foundations of this already complete game".

                        Also videogame betas normally don't change tone between updates unless the previous tone wasn't intentional... And David's tone was definitely completely intentional.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by atamajakki View Post
                          Changeling 2e isn't going to be the game I was looking forward to any more, given how much of David's work has apparently been cut out. Pass.
                          Maybe wait until you see the finished version before you decide it's not going to be for you?


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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by The Gentleman Gamer View Post

                            Maybe wait until you see the finished version before you decide it's not going to be for you?
                            That's... Not how purchasing things works.
                            If you're not interested in a product why would you buy it to see if it can convince you to be interested rather than spending that money on things you are interested in?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by milo v3 View Post

                              That's... Not how purchasing things works.
                              If you're not interested in a product why would you buy it to see if it can convince you to be interested rather than spending that money on things you are interested in?
                              I take a punt on books all the time. It's a good way of exposing yourself to new writers and ideas.

                              It seems to me to be a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction to say "this author's not on this collaborative piece anymore, so I'm out," or words to that effect. Still, it's a buyer's market.


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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by The Gentleman Gamer View Post

                                I take a punt on books all the time. It's a good way of exposing yourself to new writers and ideas.

                                It seems to me to be a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction to say "this author's not on this collaborative piece anymore, so I'm out," or words to that effect. Still, it's a buyer's market.
                                I think it's a bit different to just "this author's not on this collaborative piece anymore”, as the author in question was the line developer and that his removal has lead to many changes which can easily not be to someone's taste if they preferred the old tone/aesthetic.

                                I myself am being cautious about the new version and am unsure on whether to purchase it yet since David's philosophy on beauty from darkness and mental health are identical to my own. I might still purchase it, but I'll be waiting to see how much of the games philosophy has changed.
                                Last edited by milo v3; 04-12-2017, 05:04 PM.

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