Oak, Ash, and Thorn & Kith and Kin books speculation Thread

[Omegaphallic]

So how big do you think this book with be? The JumpStart was like 62 pages and it had a fraction of the strech goals that Kith and Kin and the CTL companion got. I think each will be between 200 and 350 pages long.

I am supecting that we will get 50-100 kiths in Kith and Kin and maybe some kith related contracts and merits. And I think we will get some minor template/s that relate to Kiths (making them the Kin). Maybe the children of changelings, or a merit or something that grants this minor template to friendly humans. But different from Fae Touched.

[Primordial newcomer]

for oak, ash, and thorn I'm hoping for more info on tokens and arcadian realms (by extension true fae)

for kith and kin, always looking forward to more kiths and hope that kin is referring to companions like friendly hobgoblins (for a definition of friendly)

[tasti man LH]

I think each will be between 200 and 350 pages long.

I highly doubt that they're going to release a supplement that's as long as the corebook.

[ArcaneArts]

As hints go, I had 5000 words for a chapter of Memento Mori.

No, definitely not 350 pages.

[Heavy Arms]

Just to keep in mind, with layout and artwork, 12 Kiths in the core book take up 9 pages (with really room for at least one more, but we'll leave it here for easy numbers).

100 Kiths would take up 75 page if the length, layout, and art is kept the same.

So a 180 page supplement could have 100 Kith write-ups and still have a lot of space for more Merits, Contracts, essays, and whatever else is going in the book.

[Omegaphallic]

As hints go, I had 5000 words for a chapter of Memento Mori.

No, definitely not 350 pages.

That about 5 pages, maybe 6-7 when you add in art.

[Omegaphallic]

I highly doubt that they're going to release a supplement that's as long as the corebook.

I know that is a long shot.

[Tessie]

Aren't most supplements (excluding the Dark Eras books) around 150 pages nowadays? I think even 200 pages is a bit too optimistic.

Edit: 100-160 pages for most 2e/revised Storytelling System supplements.

[Omegaphallic]

Aren't most supplements (excluding the Dark Eras books) around 150 pages nowadays? I think even 200 pages is a bit too optimistic.

Edit: 100-160 pages for most 2e/revised Storytelling System supplements.

Then it will likely lean towards 160 in my opinion as the stretch goals for each of these books generated almost as much as the amount to fund the core book.

[tasti man LH]

*looks around*

...alright, guess I'll mention the stuff that was announced about Oak, Ash, and Thorn in the latest Pathcast (9:30 - 16:15)

-Entitlements: Aside from Build-an-Entitlement rules, it will include 3 example Entitlements. One of which is confirmed to be an old 1e Entitlement converted to 2e, the other two are brand new to CtL.

-Freeholds: Conflicts between freeholds, potential story seeds, etc.

-Courts & Mantles: They confirm that there...will NOT be any example Courts. The reason being that the wordcount assigned was not enough to do a full dive into Courts. It's going to explore plots of your characters establishing a Court IC. Also... 2e Courtless! Organizations, Mantles, Bargains, and their version of "court" Contracts are what's also explored in this chapter.

-One word spoiler... "BriarNET".

-Tokens: Baubles and Trinkets getting their 2e update.

[BrunoMoonChangeling]

The Oak, Ash and Thorn appears In Art Direction/Contracted.
I would really like it to be released by the first half of March.