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    If you were to design a messiah-figure for the Unchained, what would they be and do? A font of vast amounts of aether? The lynchpin of a 'field' which angels cannot penetrate?


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    With a wave of their hand the angels before him saw the truth and fell. He spoke that he truly understood. The knowledge none of our kind has he claimed to have. To those willing to listen he promised to break their dependance on the machine. By his hand he promised to build a new world. For he claimed to know how to build infrastructure and all the secrets such requires.

    Or something of that type makes me think of an unchained's messiah

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mr.F.I.X. View Post
      With a wave of their hand the angels before him saw the truth and fell. He spoke that he truly understood. The knowledge none of our kind has he claimed to have. To those willing to listen he promised to break their dependance on the machine. By his hand he promised to build a new world. For he claimed to know how to build infrastructure and all the secrets such requires.

      Or something of that type makes me think of an unchained's messiah
      I'd second that - Unchained are ultimately dependent upon the Machine and Its Infrastructure and Occult Matrices. If someone else could create such, Aether supplies, new Demons, and non-flagging sources of power are all on the table.


      Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
      Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Vent0 View Post

        I'd second that - Unchained are ultimately dependent upon the Machine and Its Infrastructure and Occult Matrices. If someone else could create such, Aether supplies, new Demons, and non-flagging sources of power are all on the table.
        So, basically, a latent God-Machine?

        What has Fallen may Rise again, indeed...


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        • #5
          There's definitely room for a sort of mad prophet there. Imagine a pseudo-Stigmatic who, instead of seeing what the Machine is, sees what the Machine could be, sees the possible Infrastructures which could be built. That would be an interesting plot-thing, actually.


          Is it presumptuous of me to ask for alternating male/female pronouns?

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          • #6
            I'd actually toss in a Lucifer/Satan figure - a very powerful Angel who fell early on, but managed to drag with it enough Infrastructure that it built up its own body and form. Not as strong as the God-Machine, but, capitalizing on Mr.F.I.X.'s post, one who could break the Unchained from their dependence on the God-Machine's guarded infrastructure.

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            • #7
              @thehollow1 if you were to have such a figure two things must be explained. First where they are and second why the machine hasn't wiped them and any trace of their existence off the plante.

              Now, the first is easy enough. This "first" was the first to achieve the decent. They have forged their own "hell". It could be in folded space hidden upon the material world. Or in a place that cannot be (I think that is what its called) in the shadow. Maybe even in another place entirely. That there also covers the second point, the machine hasn't destroyed this unchained and what they've created because it can't find it.

              In my opinion the best way to present this as a plot hook would be for a trail of bread crumbs to be left. A trail the machine and it's servants would not notice, a trail designed so only a demon would notice and follow the breadcrumbs. -- Of course the twist would be the demons fall was to flush out this location if I were to run it.

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              • #8
                I simply use Galatea as the messiah figure, considering that she is implied to be a sort of next-stage of demonic.. "evolution" I suppose. ( Or a terrible monster, but that's neither here nor there lol)

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                • #9
                  .. Huh, that last post is almost hilariously fitting for this topic XD

                  But yeah, other than Galatea, I would think a sort of Samael analog would be a good place to start.

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                  • #10
                    Well, what does a Messiah do if not sacrifice for the cause? So, something willing to die to accomplish a very dramatic end. Shuttng down the Machine, Ascend to something that rivals or exceeds it, opener of a gate to the Land Beyond Gears, whatever.

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                    • #11
                      A messianic Unchained would be able to tell when other demons are telling lies, bypassing Primum processing. Why would this be a game changer? Imagine an agency that has no linchpin. No way for double agents, integrators, etc to fuck it up. Imagine the level of cooperation that such a thing could bring to bear on the God Machine? Hell doesn't seems so out of grasp now.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Malus View Post
                        A messianic Unchained would be able to tell when other demons are telling lies, bypassing Primum processing. Why would this be a game changer? Imagine an agency that has no linchpin. No way for double agents, integrators, etc to fuck it up. Imagine the level of cooperation that such a thing could bring to bear on the God Machine? Hell doesn't seems so out of grasp now.
                        Didn't Fractals have that ability? Hmm... a Fractal that grows into full demonic potency... so a stabilized Nephilim?

                        No wonder the God-Machine decided to wipe them out.


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                        • #13
                          What would Infrastructure be like when it falls? An aspect of the world itself, present in the rhythms of the highway system, that whispers truths only demons can hear. They can learn more, if only they follow - in a sense physical enough to befit their nature - the Word.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
                            What would Infrastructure be like when it falls? An aspect of the world itself, present in the rhythms of the highway system, that whispers truths only demons can hear. They can learn more, if only they follow - in a sense physical enough to befit their nature - the Word.
                            Much as I love the idea, I think what you're describing is a rather strange fallen angel, not Infrastructure per se. As far as I understand it, Infrastructure is essentially just 'stuff which the G-M is using'. If it's conscious enough to Fall, I think it would simply be an angel.

                            That said, the idea is intriguing.


                            Is it presumptuous of me to ask for alternating male/female pronouns?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
                              What would Infrastructure be like when it falls? An aspect of the world itself, present in the rhythms of the highway system, that whispers truths only demons can hear. They can learn more, if only they follow - in a sense physical enough to befit their nature - the Word.
                              Nick, you mind toning it down a bit? Your making the rest of us less awesome people look bad.

                              Thinking about it, if we step back from the Messiah-as-Jesus angle a second...why aren't they more common? I mean...the quest for Hell is basically a quest for salvation, right? You'd think that a Messiah like figure, one that claims to know the way to Hell, would have popped up all over Demon history. Not necessarily in the Christ-like way, but history is full of Confuciuses and Buddhas and Marxes and so on. Why not Demon history too? You'd think the Agendas would be rife with individual schools of thought following the various "Masters" who claim to have found Hell (and you can too!) and their rival schools deriding their methods. That's sorta the way of all Utopia seekers and philosophical/revolutionary movements, isn't it? Arguably, I mean.

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