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  • Dataweaver
    started a topic Heaven

    Heaven

    Inspirations: Tron, The Matrix, Digimon Tamers.

    I've always been fond of the cyberpunk concept of netrunning; and this system hack is designed to facilitate that in a DtD game. Note that I'm not as familiar with DtD as I am with the other gamelines that I've produced hacks for; so feedback is especially appreciated.

    Heaven is real, and it is the Mind of the God-Machine. It is the native realm of angels, much like the Shadow is the native realm of spirits, where they serve as the functions of the God-Machine.

    When an Occult Matrix summons an angel, it doesn't construct the angel out of nothing; it pulls it out of Heaven. In general, angels have little trouble entering Heaven; but it takes the workings of an Occult Matrix to leave.

    Due to their physicality, demons cannot enter Heaven the same way that angels do: they're visitors instead of residents; and entry takes effort, as they need to separate their perceptions from their bodies. On the other hand, departure is much simpler. In all cases, you need a Terminal — a portal connecting the physical world to the digital world. While the ephemeral beings known as angels enter Heaven bodily, a demon's body remains in the physical world — though there may be an Exploit that allows for physical entry.

    Heaven itself is a vast digital web, composed of a network of interconnected sites corresponding to different pieces of Infrastructure on Earth. Travel between sites is usually done through the Links that connect them. I strongly recommend books that detail Mage: the Ascension's Digital Web or Shadowrun's Matrix for more ideas in detailing Heaven. In particular, Shadowrun's Matrix features a somewhat similar arrangement of “rogue agents” operating under the nose of GOD (the Grid Overwatch Division) that could be adapted quite readily to DtD.

    Heaven is the God-Machine's stronghold, and demons need to be very careful when visiting. But what most don't realize is that a potential Hell is intimately connected to Heaven: if a demon can find a way “out” of a Site without using a Terminal or Link, he'll find himself in a vast, barren terrain, a sort of digital “Wood between the Worlds”, to borrow a concept from C.S. Lewis' The Magician's Nephew. This place is beyond the influence of the God-Machine, albeit in a desolate realm that's not particularly habitable. The demon can use this realm to hide from pursuit, as angels fare even worse here than demons do, and to bypass Links. Of course, getting into another site from the wasteland poses its own challenges; but once a demon has figured out how to get out of a site and into the wasteland, he at least has a clue how to do the reverse.

    I use terms like “barren” and “desolate” to describe this place in order to point out that there's no known “native life” here; everything in the digital world is in some way derived from the God-Machine. That said, if you want to introduce something like the Nulls featured in Shadowrun 5e or the ISOs from Tron Legacy, go for it! If you do this, they should be rare, hidden, and — in classic Chronicles of Darkness tradition — alien even to the children of the God-Machine.

    There might also theoretically be a few rare “sites” produced by human infrastructure that has somehow managed to avoid being co-opted by the God-Machine, though that's more a matter of a possible conclusion to the Descent than something that a demon is likely to stumble across.

    Thoughts?

  • TerrorCooper
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    Edit; Please ignore this, I accidentally double posted.

    Edit 2; Dammit', OPF's glitched!!!!
    Last edited by TerrorCooper; 08-20-2020, 07:08 PM.

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  • Penelope
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    I like the idea of Emanations.

    But yeah, I don’t wanna hijack the thread lol.

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  • Dataweaver
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    True; especially with the second edition's promotion of Emanations, making otherworldly locales populated by angelic beings a thing in Mage.

    But that's drifting quite a ways away from the topic of this thread: an ephemeral realm specific to the God-Machine and its angels.

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  • Dwight
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    Always the Ather supernal realm

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  • Penelope
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    Hmmm. Interesting.

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  • Dataweaver
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    No; they're separate and unrelated phenomena that just happen to share a (very) few thematic similarities. There's a stronger case for tying the Promethean Principle to the Empyrean, though — assuming the Empyrean exists at all.

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  • Penelope
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    Thanks. I thought maybe the God-Machine superseded the stuff in Inferno.

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  • Dataweaver
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    The Empyrean was never confirmed to actually exist; and even if it did, it would have about as much to do with the God-Machine as the demons of the Inferno do.

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  • Penelope
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    Slight change of topic, but...

    Is there also a “real” Heaven called the Empyrean from
    WoD Inferno? Or did OPP retcon that when they created the God-Machine?

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  • CTPhipps
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    Let's move on please.

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  • TerrorCooper
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    Originally posted by Dataweaver View Post
    Oh, by all means, risk contradicting what's already been agreed on, if you think you have something that's better. The worst that can happen is a “no”; and I promise that if you put thought into the proposal, I'll put thought into the rejection.
    Huh... alright then.

    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    Do me a favor and never attempt to moderate threads again.

    You've been doing a lot of, "HISS, NECROMANCY!"

    There's a report button for a reason.
    I agree. If someone's wanting to report/stop Necromancy, they should try using the report button.

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  • CTPhipps
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    Originally posted by ArcaneArts View Post
    TerrorCooper You know, there's a date in the upper left of people's post that tells you when the last post was put up? In the thread listing, the time is listed alongside the last poster? So you can tell when no one has posted in a thing for over a year?
    Do me a favor and never attempt to moderate threads again.

    You've been doing a lot of, "HISS, NECROMANCY!"

    There's a report button for a reason.

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  • Dataweaver
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    Oh, by all means, risk contradicting what's already been agreed on, if you think you have something that's better. The worst that can happen is a “no”; and I promise that if you put thought into the proposal, I'll put thought into the rejection.

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  • TerrorCooper
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    Thanks for standing up for me, fellas'.

    Originally posted by Dataweaver View Post
    The main problem with this idea is that it makes the Subtine a bit too beneficial for demons who can find their way there: demons basically subsist off of Aether, and if the Subtine is a dining ground for the stuff, the demon would virtually be in Hell.

    No, I think it would be better to say that Aether is purely a phenomenon that's limited to the physical world: basically, it's a byproduct of the GM interacting with physical reality. There's no physical reality in Heaven, so no Aether gets generated there.
    Yeah, you're probably right. Then again, I was working on the assumption that the Subtine was a corrupted Splinter that had partially fused with ragged, cast-out pieces of the GM's Heaven. As for the amount of Aether being too beneficial for Demons? I wasn't able to think of a suitable drawback that didn't risk contradicting what had already been agreed upon.

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