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  • How to damage Demons in demonic form?

    I was wondering: when a demon transform into his demonic form, how you can damage him? Mundane weapon sill works? I mean he can turn into an armored giant which glows of energy! A normal gun still works on him?

  • #2
    Well, it s still a material being, whit functional (maybe weird) internal organs, so a gun still do lethal damage i think

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    • #3
      Same way you damage demons in Cover form, unless the particular demon has a form ability that says otherwise. They have no special protection that's shared among all demons.

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      • #4
        As someone will no doubt point out, if you are diving into combat in demon form then things are already pretty desperate. Demon is at root an espionage game and taking on demonic forms results in pretty nasty compromise rolls. However, I wrote up a sample combat between an angel and a demon and I've been doing some calculations as well. Here are a few things to note.

        Armor is very effective. One point of armor negates one point of damage, which generally takes three dice to generate (as a "success"). That said, focussed gun fire from several shooters can whittle you down pretty quickly, as well as attacks that ignore armor (bees, electricity, poison, or eldritch blasts).

        It's very hard to kill a character in one turn of combat unless you're doing aggravated damage or something pretty huge. A demon under duress (life-or-death situation) can always choose to "Go Loud" which gives them a lot of powers to escape, depending upon who is doing the damage. However, this generally leads to more problems later since you now are Burned/Hunted. Fun times!

        If you're a mortal trying to kill a demon in demon form, then high powered guns and area attacks are the way to go.

        If you're a demon trying to kill a demon in demon form, just point the GodMachine at them. Don't dirty your hands. If you must, you can also cheese them with Reality Enforcement or Knockout Punch.

        If you're an ST running angels, then incepts can shut down a demon pretty effectively for you and your cultists to neutralize your wayward companion so that they can be brought back into the inerrant arms of the GodMachine. The Blast numen has no range effect and can bypass armor by ST choice. Since you roll Power+Finesse a lot of Rank 3 types can be rolling 10 to 16 dice before you spend essence to up the Lethality.

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        • #5
          So basically unchained are more like cyborgs than robots?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ipergigio View Post
            So basically unchained are more like cyborgs than robots?
            I think it's a little harder to pin down than that. The labels of "Cyborg" and "Robot" are mostly just shorthand labels that make talking about them easier to those unfamiliar with DtD. But only by a hair.

            Even Cyborg doesn't really fit well as there are plenty of Demons that look totally organic and others that look neither Organic nor Mechanical (think the Amorphous with swirling rings of fire).

            Demons are weird looking its true, that said though, shooting an Arrow at (most of) them still damages them in the near same way that it would to the Cover or any other human. The fun is in the narrative explanations you give for that damage (the arrow point sticks into the monstrous flesh of the giant red winged thing. Fire parts where the whizzed passed it, refusing to close while the elemental recoils. A metal panel flings off revealing freshly cut yellow/green/red wires).



            Frequent Story Teller for the Circle of Five gaming group.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ipergigio View Post
              So basically unchained are more like cyborgs than robots?
              They are fallen angels. Their form used to be ephemeral, airy and occulted. Now it is gross matter and energy. That may mean flesh, joint, sinew, plate, alloy, glass, or stranger bodies, arms of flame and shapes of light. Usually it's a combination of at least some of the above.

              Unless they have a demonic form ability that says otherwise, they get stabbed the way human flesh gets stabbed. A fallen angel of animate flame without the Mantle of Fire or some equivalent power isn't made of the kind of flame that needs kindling, ignites combustibles, gets smothered by water, and flows around an iron pipe unbludgeoned. It's a different kind of flame, one not implemented in natural reality.

              Their supernatural aspect allows for that.

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