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  • GibberingEloquence Hey, for your Saboteur style, would working in and bolstering Monkey-wrencher make sense? Maybe something like giving an Angel who's Numina you disrupt the Abruption Condition?


    Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
    Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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    • Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
      GibberingEloquence Hey, for your Saboteur style, would working in and bolstering Monkey-wrencher make sense? Maybe something like giving an Angel who's Numina you disrupt the Abruption Condition?
      That does make sense, but where can I find the Abruption Condition?


      "Fate is a cruel jester with a finely developed sense of irony." - Sir Night as portrayed by Leliel, The Horror Recognition Guide

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      • Originally posted by GibberingEloquence View Post
        That does make sense, but where can I find the Abruption Condition?
        Beast: The Primordial

        That said, why limit it to just Numina? Influences and Incepts could also be affected by such an addition to Saboteur. Alternatively, you could make it a separate Merit that requires Monkey Wrencher.
        Last edited by Deionscribe; 12-24-2016, 02:06 AM.


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        The Kingdom of Yamatai

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        • Originally posted by Deionscribe View Post

          Beast: The Primordial

          That said, why limit it to just Numina? Influences and Incepts could also be affected by such an addition to Saboteur. Alternatively, you could make it a separate Merit that requires Monkey Wrencher.

          All good suggestions. I'm wondering if it would make sense to tie anything into the Saboteur-specific version of Self-Destruct as well. Or leverage the stereotype of Saboteurs burning through their Covers for anything useful.


          Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
          Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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          • Here is an updated version of Corpus Reconfiguration, with clearer mechanics.

            Ephemeral Integration (••• or •••••)
            Prerequisites: An Ephemereal Cover, Primum 3, Occult 3, Subterfuge 3

            For the three dot version, you gain a pool of [Primum x 2] dots to distribute among your Cover’s Power, Finesse, Resistance and Size. You gain an honorary Rank determined by your total simplified Attribute dots among spirits or ghosts as appropriate. For the five dot version, you treat your Primum as three dots higher for the purposes of calculating how many dots you distribute among Power, Finesse, Resistance and Size (up to Primum 10), and rolls for Spoofing against entities of the same type gain 8 Again.

            You count as the Bane of appropriate entities whose Rank you exceed by two or more. You add your honorary Rank to your Cover for the purposes of using Legend, as long as it for generating Social Merits pertaining to the appropriate entities.

            You gain the ability to drain Essence from appropriate entities with a Power + Brawl or Weaponry vs Resistance + Rank roll. Each Success drains 1 Essence and absorbs it as Aether. If you have the Essence Drain Technology currently manifested, this roll gains 8 Again.

            Your Corpus is malleable: by spending 1 Aether as an instant action, you may take on the appearance of a spirit or ghost with a different purview. This is usually enough to fool entities of the same type, but should they suspect something is wrong, roll for Spoofing as usual vs their Finesse.

            This Merit must be purchased separately for each Ephemeral Cover. At the ST’s discretion, you may pose as entities like Geister, Cthonians, Hosts, Infernals and Idigam.
            Last edited by GibberingEloquence; 03-29-2017, 03:27 PM.


            "Fate is a cruel jester with a finely developed sense of irony." - Sir Night as portrayed by Leliel, The Horror Recognition Guide

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            • Originally posted by GibberingEloquence View Post
              Here is an updated version of Corpus Reconfiguration, with clearer mechanics.

              Ephemeral Integration (•••)
              Prerequisites: An Ephemereal Cover, Primum 3, Occult 3, Subterfuge 3

              You gain a pool of [Primum x 2] dots to distribute among your Cover’s Power, Finesse and Resistance and Size. You gain an honorary Rank determined by your total simplified Attribute dots among spirits or ghosts as appropriate.

              You count as the Bane of appropriate entities whose Rank you exceed by two or more. You add your honorary Rank to your Cover for the purposes of using Legend, as long as it for generating Social Merits pertaining to the appropriate entities.

              You gain the ability to drain Essence from appropriate entities with a Power + Brawl or Weaponry vs Resistance + Rank roll. Each Success drains 1 Essence and absorbs it as Aether. If you have the Essence Drain Technology currently manifested, this roll gains 8 Again.

              Your Corpus is malleable: by spending 1 Aether as an instant action, you may take on the appearance of a spirit or ghost with a different purview. This is usually enough to fool entities of the same type, but should they suspect something is wrong, roll for Spoofing as usual vs their Finesse. Each additional point of Aether spent on the transformation adds +1 to your Spoofing dice pool.

              This Merit must be purchased separately for each Ephemeral Cover. At the ST’s discretion, you may pose as entities like Geister, Cthonians, Hosts and Idigam.

              What about spending Aether to boost "Attributes" like Ephemerals and Essence? Maybe instead of the listed Primum x 2? Since Demons already have Skills to add.

              Trying to think of other additions for masquerading as an Ephemeral, but I think the current Demon toolkit (and this) pretty much cover it.


              Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
              Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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              • Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
                What about spending Aether to boost "Attributes" like Ephemerals and Essence? Maybe instead of the listed Primum x 2? Since Demons already have Skills to add.

                Trying to think of other additions for masquerading as an Ephemeral, but I think the current Demon toolkit (and this) pretty much cover it.
                I figured that Demons don't need the "spend Essence to boost Attributes for a scene" ability, what with all the other powers they have at their disposal.

                As for other ways to masquerade as an ephemeral, why not let this Merit and your Supernatural Infiltration Style stack?


                "Fate is a cruel jester with a finely developed sense of irony." - Sir Night as portrayed by Leliel, The Horror Recognition Guide

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                • Originally posted by GibberingEloquence View Post
                  I figured that Demons don't need the "spend Essence to boost Attributes for a scene" ability, what with all the other powers they have at their disposal.

                  As for other ways to masquerade as an ephemeral, why not let this Merit and your Supernatural Infiltration Style stack?

                  Who says they wouldn't?

                  All Supernatural Infiltration does is improve Show of Power and Deep Cover. This boosts Ephemeral Cover. Throw in judicious use of Associate and Integrate and maybe Force Relationship, and the enterprising Demon can worm their way into the local spirit hierarchy.


                  Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
                  Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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                  • GibberingEloquence

                    Added your revised version of Corpus Reconfiguration. I also did the same for some of the other Merits that haven't been placed into the doc.

                    Vent0

                    How's this for a revised draft on your Evolved Form Merit? I kind of wonder, though, if we could lessen the Primum requirement for it. Thoughts?

                    -=-

                    Lambda Form (• to ••••, Style)
                    Prerequisites:
                    Primum 6 + Dot Rating
                    Effect: You have figured out how to incorporate Lambda Form Gadgets into your Demonic Form as if they were a natural extension of yourself.

                    Mu Modification (•): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Modification Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Modifications.

                    Tau Technology (••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Technology Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Technologies.

                    Phi Propulsion (•••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Propulsion Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Propulsions.

                    Omega Process (••••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Process Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Processes.
                    Last edited by Deionscribe; 12-27-2016, 12:34 PM.


                    "My Homebrew Hub"
                    Age of Azar
                    The Kingdom of Yamatai

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                    • Originally posted by Deionscribe View Post

                      How's this for a revised draft on your Evolved Form Merit? I kind of wonder, though, if we could lessen the Primum requirement for it. Thoughts?

                      -=-

                      Lambda Form (• to ••••, Style)
                      Prerequisites:
                      Primum 6 + Dot Rating
                      Effect: You have figured out how to incorporate Lambda Form Gadgets into your Demonic Form as if they were a natural extension of yourself.

                      Mu Modification (•): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Modification Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Modifications.

                      Tau Technology (••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Technology Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Technologies.

                      Phi Propulsion (•••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Propulsion Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Propulsions.

                      Omega Process (••••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Process Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Processes.

                      Looks fine.
                      Last edited by Vent0; 04-07-2017, 02:03 PM.


                      Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
                      Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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                      • Originally posted by Deionscribe View Post

                        How's this for a revised draft on your Evolved Form Merit? I kind of wonder, though, if we could lessen the Primum requirement for it. Thoughts?

                        -=-

                        Lambda Form (• to ••••, Style)
                        Prerequisites:
                        Primum 6 + Dot Rating
                        Effect: You have figured out how to incorporate Lambda Form Gadgets into your Demonic Form as if they were a natural extension of yourself.

                        Mu Modification (•): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Modification Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Modifications.

                        Tau Technology (••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Technology Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Technologies.

                        Phi Propulsion (•••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Propulsion Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Propulsions.

                        Omega Process (••••): You can graft a single Lambda containing a Process Form ability to yourself, replacing or adding to your existing Processes.
                        Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
                        Looks fine.
                        Actually, what about dropping the starting Primum to 5 + dots (starts at 6), and then adding (at Primum 10):

                        Truly Unchained (•••••): You are no longer limited to the number of Form Lambdas you can possess, though you can still only hold your normal limit of Form Abilities.

                        It allows a Demon that has reached the pinnacle of power to become a hypothetical monster decked out with 1st (or even 2nd) Order Lambdas in all their slots. Something even Rank 5 Angels might fear to face.
                        Last edited by Vent0; 04-07-2017, 02:45 PM.


                        Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
                        Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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                        • What the heck, let's let things reach their final logical conclusion.

                          Deep Integration (••••)
                          Prerequisites: Supernatural Integration 5, Supernatural Infiltration 4, Cover as a Supernatural*
                          Effect: Your ability to emulate another supernatural type has reached its fullest extent. You can now copy the supernatural Cover's abilities with near perfect fidelity. You can spend Cover Experiences gained from the same Supernatural (through Pacting, or living the Cover) to purchase abilities just as that supernatural would (for example, you can spend 4 Cover Experiences gained from Mages to add Arcana Dots to a Mage Cover). When using these abilities, you treat them as if a normal member of that supernatural were using them, substituting Aether for most costs on a 1-to-1 ratio, and treating Primum as the corresponding Supernatural Tolerance.
                          Note: You still need to acquire a Cover as a supernatural being somehow. Since you can't Pact away supernatural traits, this usually restricts you to Covers acquired wholesale through a Soul Pact with a supernatural (excepting Ephemeral Cover). The usual consequences still apply. This is still a Cover, and subject to the same vulnerability regarding investigation and the damage other Compromise checks may incur. If the Cover is destroyed, no Experiences spent upon it in this way are recovered via the Sanctity of Merits rule.
                          [Comments: Given the prior requirements, if you ever reach this point, you can pretty much mimic of supernaturals and play in their circles near perfectly. Go on - embrace the Haight. Just make sure the various paranoid supernatural communities don't look too closely into your business, since "outing" you can send years worth of power growth down the XP toilet.

                          I'm considering various limitations, like eliminating 10-again on power rolls, or treating Supernatural Tolerance as half Primum instead. Thoughts?]


                          Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
                          Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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                          • Deionscribe I updated Accomplished Exploiter (now just Exploiter) here.


                            Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
                            Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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                            • Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
                              What the heck, let's let things reach their final logical conclusion.

                              Deep Integration (••••)
                              Prerequisites: Supernatural Integration 5, Supernatural Infiltration 4, Cover as a Supernatural*
                              Effect: Your ability to emulate another supernatural type has reached its fullest extent. You can now copy the supernatural Cover's abilities with near perfect fidelity. You can spend Cover Experiences gained from the same Supernatural (through Pacting, or living the Cover) to purchase abilities just as that supernatural would (for example, you can spend 4 Cover Experiences gained from Mages to add Arcana Dots to a Mage Cover). When using these abilities, you treat them as if a normal member of that supernatural were using them, substituting Aether for most costs on a 1-to-1 ratio, and treating Primum as the corresponding Supernatural Tolerance.
                              Note: You still need to acquire a Cover as a supernatural being somehow. Since you can't Pact away supernatural traits, this usually restricts you to Covers acquired wholesale through a Soul Pact with a supernatural (excepting Ephemeral Cover). The usual consequences still apply. This is still a Cover, and subject to the same vulnerability regarding investigation and the damage other Compromise checks may incur. If the Cover is destroyed, no Experiences spent upon it in this way are recovered via the Sanctity of Merits rule.
                              [Comments: Given the prior requirements, if you ever reach this point, you can pretty much mimic of supernaturals and play in their circles near perfectly. Go on - embrace the Haight. Just make sure the various paranoid supernatural communities don't look too closely into your business, since "outing" you can send years worth of power growth down the XP toilet.

                              I'm considering various limitations, like eliminating 10-again on power rolls, or treating Supernatural Tolerance as half Primum instead. Thoughts?]
                              This is an excellent idea, but removing Sanctity Of Merits makes it prohibitively risky. There has to be a more viable drawback. Maybe this level of integration causes permanent Glitches related to the splat you're imitating?

                              I would make "remove 10 Again for powers and halve your Primum" an optional rule for those who are concerned about balance.

                              EDIT: Would the powers acquired through this Merit suffer the same drawbacks of their genuine counterparts? For example, Paradox/Dissonance/Quiescence is tied to the Supernal/Abyss, which I assume Demons can't access.

                              Also, does this Merit come with the standard powers of the Cover's splat, such as Mage Sight and the five Werewolf forms? What about the agelessness of Vampires and the functional immortality of Mummies?
                              Last edited by GibberingEloquence; 04-17-2017, 04:25 AM.


                              "Fate is a cruel jester with a finely developed sense of irony." - Sir Night as portrayed by Leliel, The Horror Recognition Guide

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                              • Originally posted by GibberingEloquence View Post
                                This is an excellent idea, but removing Sanctity Of Merits makes it prohibitively risky. There has to be a more viable drawback. Maybe this level of integration causes permanent Glitches related to the splat you're imitating?

                                I would make "remove 10 Again for powers and halve your Primum" an optional rule for those who are concerned about balance.

                                EDIT: Would the powers acquired through this Merit suffer the same drawbacks of their genuine counterparts? For example, Paradox/Dissonance/Quiescence is tied to the Supernal/Abyss, which I assume Demons can't access.

                                Also, does this Merit come with the standard powers of the Cover's splat, such as Mage Sight and the five Werewolf forms? What about the agelessness of Vampires and the functional immortality of Mummies?

                                The Sanctity of Merits exception is a continuation from Supernatural Integration, and the fact you are using Cover Experiences (from Pacts) to do the buying.

                                Gaining Glitches to simulate the Splat's personal banes and troubles might help or be doable. Otherwise you are breaking Cover.

                                Yeah, "When using these abilities, you treat them as if a normal member of that supernatural were using them" meaning Paradox and the like come into play. The Demon may not fully understand what they are leveraging, but they can use the co-opted bits of identity/soul to exploit it anyways.
                                EDIT: By using the Cover experiences of Mages, for example, the Demon is really co-opting their connection to the Supernal (and the Abyss) to get things done.

                                Standard powers should be coverable by Show of Power (except for Extended Action ones) already. Maybe this can remove the "except Extended Actions" restriction?
                                Last edited by Vent0; 04-17-2017, 07:30 AM.


                                Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
                                Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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