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  • Bunyip
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    Originally posted by KieranMullen View Post
    Is there an in-universe reason why the GodMachine keeps humans around? I have my own head-canon for why but I don't know if there is an "official" reason why.
    They often play an integral part of Occult Matrices. The mathematics and chaos principles in the movements of humanity are unconsciously powerful occult forces that the G-M uses to its own advantage.

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  • Vent0
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    Originally posted by Neos01 View Post

    And by the way, maybe the gm doesn t HAVE the resources to take over the entire humanity...
    Beyond a certain point, it just isn't efficient.

    If you can already get what you want, why bother controlling more than 51%?

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  • Neos01
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    Originally posted by Satchel View Post
    …You've been paying attention to how the Machine operates, right? This is Espionage 101.

    Like, in the most prosaic terms, being obvious means more things to keep track of that can actively and directly interfere with your plans even if exposure to the supernatural didn't already degrade mortals' sacrificial value as a matter of course. Keeping all of humanity under Its thumb takes resources that could be put to better use actually setting up outputs, and not making that investment only requires that It not make so much noise that the clever monkeys start poking around the magic fusebox.
    And by the way, maybe the gm doesn t HAVE the resources to take over the entire humanity...

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  • Satchel
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    Originally posted by KieranMullen View Post
    I'd thought of that, but wouldn't it be easier for the GM to simply take over in a very obvious way and run the harvest directly?
    …You've been paying attention to how the Machine operates, right? This is Espionage 101.

    Like, in the most prosaic terms, being obvious means more things to keep track of that can actively and directly interfere with your plans even if exposure to the supernatural didn't already degrade mortals' sacrificial value as a matter of course. Keeping all of humanity under Its thumb takes resources that could be put to better use actually setting up outputs, and not making that investment only requires that It not make so much noise that the clever monkeys start poking around the magic fusebox.

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  • KieranMullen
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    Originally posted by Neos01 View Post

    Well, they can be easily manipulated into making infrastructures and it can sacrifice them to produce essence for example
    I'd thought of that, but wouldn't it be easier for the GM to simply take over in a very obvious way and run the harvest directly? After all, it can perform "miracles" to convince the skeptics. The harvesting described in the books seems to be at a small level with small cults. Why doesn't the GM harvest on a much larger scale?

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  • Neos01
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    Originally posted by KieranMullen View Post
    Is there an in-universe reason why the GodMachine keeps humans around? I have my own head-canon for why but I don't know if there is an "official" reason why.
    Well, they can be easily manipulated into making infrastructures and it can sacrifice them to produce essence for example

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  • KieranMullen
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    Is there an in-universe reason why the GodMachine keeps humans around? I have my own head-canon for why but I don't know if there is an "official" reason why.

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  • Vent0
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    Using such mechanisms, provided certain terms are automagically enforced, you can even use them as detection methods - make a Pact for a small, but noticeable element conditional upon X doing Y. If you notice the presence or absence of said element, Y happened to X.

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  • Emerick
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    Woop, founf what i wanted in Demon Interface, there a whole section explaining pact, from conditional to delayed, transfer pacts, bill of sale and cover trading , it's really neat and offer a lot of pratical information on the pact economy of the unchained

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  • nalak42
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    You could probably get away a "price to be collected at the time and place of party [the demon]'s choosing" for more contractual language with just specifying that the Unchained are allowed to specify those details at a future point. This would make particular sense if you were trading for part of a cover that the other party hasn't had yet, as this would probably help with the contract balancing thing by requiring the other party to actually provide that part of the cover.

    I think, would that work? Contract balance in the mechanical always confused me.

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  • Tessie
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    "At a time of my choosing I will collect the price."

    That would be extremely appropriate to add to a pact considering the source material. But I think you'd have to add something like that in order to indefinitely postpone the transfer/grafting to your Cover.

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  • Emerick
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    I mean there is demon trading covers or saving the contracts for special jobs in fiction so i'm not sure ? I don't kknow maybe you're right.

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  • KieranMullen
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    Originally posted by Emerick View Post
    What happens when your bargain away a connection for a patch job but don't immediatly graft it to a cover ? Does the spouse of the pactbound person still recognize them as their husband/wife ?

    If you created a cover from various pact and it has been established for some time now, like let's say one year, if some or all of the various contract from wich you created the cover are destroyed, what happens to your cover ?
    Pacts are usually a quid pro quo - the mortal gets X and the demon gets Y. There isn't a delay or a set of spare parts sitting in a cupboard. If you are playing it so there *is* such a thing as "stored Cover parts" then the mortal should lose the connection (e.g. their marriage) when they gain the benefit from the pact, even if no demon has incorporated it into their Cover.

    If a pact is destroyed then the parts obtained in the pact revert to the original mortal owner, who also loses the benefits of the pact. The Cover that incorporated those parts is then damaged and might not survive.

    All of the above IMHO, of course.

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  • Emerick
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    What happens when your bargain away a connection for a patch job but don't immediatly graft it to a cover ? Does the spouse of the pactbound person still recognize them as their husband/wife ?

    If you created a cover from various pact and it has been established for some time now, like let's say one year, if some or all of the various contract from wich you created the cover are destroyed, what happens to your cover ?

    Also unrelated to pact but a question that is kind of the continuation of ArcaneArts question : Can the Read Aura technology help demon finds spirit and/or ghost in twilight ?

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  • White Oak Dragon
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    Originally posted by Primordial newcomer View Post
    I've recently read Night Horrors: Enemy Action and I have a question regarding the opening of Exiles. it mentions they can Fall. is this to be taken literally or is it just figurative
    Sometimes, the God-Machine offers an Exile the chance to return. “Do this mission I offer to you, and you’ll be restored to your former glory.” If the Exile accepts, they get to be a complete angel once more. If they refuse, they Fall.

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