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    Didn't see one of these for DtD.

    Question: I have been considering getting the DtD starter kit. Are the rules already updated to the God Machine Chronicles? For instance, are their conditions, and beats?

  • Satchel
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    Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
    Isn't there already a Stigmatic Mage, though?
    There's a mage who used to be stigmatic, which is not actually revelatory about the lore.

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  • Vent0
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    Isn't there already a Stigmatic Mage, though?

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  • Second Chances
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    Originally posted by Konradleijon View Post
    What would the God-Machine do To keep a Demon-Blooded Mage Character with a Completed Cipher.
    Nothing, because such a character can’t exist by default. Either Awakening would obliviate the Demon-Blooded minor template or such a character simply can’t Awaken. Given that stigmatics can’t Awaken (Signs of Sorcery p. 129), I’d be inclined towards the latter. Such a character could exist via Storyteller fiat, but that would make them so rare and unique that the God-Machine’s response would be equally unique.
    Last edited by Second Chances; 10-19-2019, 11:29 AM.

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  • Stupid Loserman
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    Originally posted by Konradleijon View Post
    What would the God-Machine do To keep a Demon-Blooded Mage Character with a Completed Cipher.
    Whatever amount of effort and resources produce a net benefit in exchange for keeping the sorcerous sleeper agent active, no more and no less.

    If that's not a very useful answer, it's because this question is extremely hard to answer in the abstract. What actual decisions is it weighing against each other?

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  • Konradleijon
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    What would the God-Machine do To keep a Demon-Blooded Mage Character with a Completed Cipher.

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  • Eremite
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    Originally posted by Stupid Loserman View Post

    I wouldn't allow a demonic pact to "remove from play" an identifier by bargaining for it without putting it anywhere. At my table, it doesn't come off the pactee until it goes onto a Cover.
    I wouldn't allow identifiers to be pasted onto a facade either. A facade is borrowed, not owned, and it's too thin a material to work with.

    Patch it onto a Cover you intend to burn anyway? I'd allow it.

    I've made an NPC, The Kindly One, who does this,... and gives the cancer-striken patch jobs to demons in need of an emergency Cover, Never could work them into a book but always wanted to

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  • KieranMullen
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    Originally posted by ajf115 View Post
    As a demon, can I cure a degenerative disease by Pacting for it, and then just never patching that element into one of my Covers, or sticking it on a Facade or burn Cover?
    A demon can make a pact with a homeless person giving them riches in return for the love of a childhood sweetheart - the demon doesn't have to take on their poverty or homelessness.

    A demon can give an ugly person the Merit "Striking Looks" in return for their "loss of a child" experience, without having to take on the human's ugly features.

    So I would think that a demon can make a pact giving someone the Merit "Hardy" or "Robust" without taking on the human's illness.

    Of course, YMMV.

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  • Stupid Loserman
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    Originally posted by ajf115 View Post
    As a demon, can I cure a degenerative disease by Pacting for it, and then just never patching that element into one of my Covers, or sticking it on a Facade or burn Cover?
    I wouldn't allow a demonic pact to "remove from play" an identifier by bargaining for it without putting it anywhere. At my table, it doesn't come off the pactee until it goes onto a Cover.
    I wouldn't allow identifiers to be pasted onto a facade either. A facade is borrowed, not owned, and it's too thin a material to work with.

    Patch it onto a Cover you intend to burn anyway? I'd allow it.

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  • ajf115
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    As a demon, can I cure a degenerative disease by Pacting for it, and then just never patching that element into one of my Covers, or sticking it on a Facade or burn Cover?

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  • Satchel
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    Originally posted by Deinos View Post
    Are glitches an alternative to cover loss and condition or just conditions?
    Just the Conditions.

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  • Deinos
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    Are glitches an alternative to cover loss and condition or just conditions?

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  • Stupid Loserman
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    Originally posted by ajf115 View Post
    What methods do demons have to see into Twilight?
    If you're using the Demon Translation Guide's (pretty well written overall) translated demonic form abilities, Ghost Sight is listed as a Modification that allows the demon to perceive Twilit ghosts and spirits.

    A demon could enter ghostly or spiritual Twilight herself with the use of an Ephemeral Cover. This, mind, first requires her to rend ghosts or spirits into Cover material, which will be a challenge (but not impossible) without the ability to peer into Twilight.

    A demon could also enter astral Twilight with the Decoy Exploit from the Interface, but unless you've got a local outbreak of projecting psychics or summoned goetia, you're not going to find it very populated.

    Demons aren't generally well equipped to deal with unmanifested ephemera. A determined demon could probably hammer out near-field gadgets to interface with particular phases of Twilight as the most accessible method. Whatever the case, the ability to perceive angelic Twilight is probably not something a demonic power can do casually, if at all: it undermines the paranoia. (Conversely, most angels shouldn't be able to just safely and invisibly zot demons without manifesting. There is, however, plenty of horrid shit they could do to a tailed demon without having to materialize and start a fistfight.)

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  • Neos01
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    Originally posted by ajf115 View Post
    What methods do demons have to see into Twilight?
    As far as i know they can only emulate other powers with the Exploit Show of power

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  • ajf115
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    What methods do demons have to see into Twilight?

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