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  • Ghosts Becoming Geists in Two Different Ways?

    My best friend pointed this out and I thought I'd get clarification from the community. It seems that Ghosts become a Geist by drinking from the Rivers. However, it also seems they can become a Geist by strong emotions. But the latter is only explained in one of the Burdens section, when it should have been explained beforehand.

    If a ghost drinks deep, he can grow, but not as he is or was. The Underworld itself grows inside him, changing who and what he was into something older, something darker, something further lost. A ghost might become something distinctly other, freed from those last worries, but if he does? He’ll lose as much as he gains, if not more. No one will recognize him, but they’ll fear him all the same. These 'lucky' few become geists, and in doing so, surrender something that they’ll long for as long as they persist.”

    And,

    While rare, Kindly Sin-Eaters caught up in an accident of extreme emotional attachment at their moment of death may even take on their victim as a geist. So, a Bound who murders her husband and then turns the gun on herself in an elaborate murder-suicide may see the ghost of her lover instantly return to make the Bargain, without either of them ever truly knowing what this choice entails.”

    If it's true that Ghosts become a Geist by emotional attachment, then what about Resonance?

    The Bargain requires death. Not merely the death of the Bound, though of course that’s part of it — but in order to haul a human being back from the pit, a geist needs a significant source of power, more even than the Essence they feed on. The Bargain draws on resonance, a sort of background radiation created by death. It needn’t be large in scale, but it must be intense. A fatal, three-car pileup could birth a krewe’s worth of Sin-Eaters. A serial killer’s ritual kill room might poison the world for blocks around, enough that a geist can seize hold of it and merge with the old man dying of cancer around the corner. The larger the event, the more powerful the resonance, and Sin-Eaters explode into the world in massive numbers. But where that resonance doesn’t exist, the Bargain can’t be struck.”

    This seems like Geists are well-aware of the Resonance and Bargain is an agreement between a Sin-Eater and a Geist. I think that a person who suddenly died and became a Geist by extreme emotional attachment can't be aware of this to come up with the Bargain since it would take time and he would probably be traumatized by the whole thing.



    Last edited by OvercastGhost; 04-21-2019, 04:14 AM. Reason: Font

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    Any rank 3 ghost is a geist. The standard way to be a rank 3 is to drink from a river from the underworld, but otherwise exist from mystic convergences, occult rituals, or being the first ghost to form in a graveyard.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by milo v3 View Post
      Any rank 3 ghost is a geist. The standard way to be a rank 3 is to drink from a river from the underworld, but otherwise exist from mystic convergences, occult rituals, or being the first ghost to form in a graveyard.
      Thanks! Appreciate the reply.

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