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  • Originally posted by LostLight View Post
    wait- what? who? when? what?! what???

    that just caught me 100% off guard. Sin Eaters don't have souls. Sin. Eaters. Don't. Have. Souls. ha. haha. hahahahahaha. It's just so... so... so...

    its the craziest, weirdest, most appropriate thing I've ever heard. It's just so... right. All the internet arguments people had over whether or not ghosts should have souls, and that even without souls ghosts are still people- and now, this.

    Sin Eaters don't have souls.

    That's just awesome. Geist is awesome. This is the best thing ever. Being a person while not being a person, being alive, while still with one foot in the grave. Pure nihilism, which gives birth to the greatest celebration ever. Dancing with the dead in the carnival of life. So many images, so much beauty and tragedy and pain and hope and lust and shadows and light that its is just amazing. The gods of death being the trash of heaven, clinging to the cloths of pale horsemen as they ride toward the apocalypse and laugh all the way out. You are dead- but alive. You are a miracle, you are nothing. Who needs souls nowadays- not you. You just wear a mask instead and join the festival.

    I'm sorry- my synesthesia all flared out because of that sentence, and I had to write it down. It's just that awesome. No matter what other changes Geist is going to have, I think that this little thing is the best one.

    Sin Eaters don't have souls.

    That's awesome.
    ..... Kindly excuse me while I explode on this one, too.

    Okay, that is one of the biggest changes I did not see coming for Geist 2E.

    It definitely amps up the wierdness factor for them when it comes to interactions with the other splats. Mages might be weirded out by this revelation, seeing as two Arcana deal in the manipulation of the soul. Mummies would lump them into the Lifeless category since the lack of a soul means no Pillars (unless the Ka and/or Sheut is substituted by the Geist himself). Changelings and Prometheans would be similarly disturbed, seeing as the former lost parts of their soul to the durance and the latter are trying to transmute one through their Pilgrimage.


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    • Damn. What would a Promethean think of that? Here they are, craving a soul and a normal human existence, empty and lost. Then there are Sin-Eaters, who are also empty but not "bothered much" by it and who still get to enjoy all the benefits of life. I'm getting a whiff of potential resentment and conflict...


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      • Whenever I imagine Sin-Eaters in a crossover environment, I always end up imagining each of the Bound's geists having a persona that ties to the other splats. Sin-eaters who bargained with Longius, Lycaon, Oberon, Osiris, Ammut, Angels, and Nyx. Toying with the other splats mythology would probably be rather amusing to some of the non-sacrosanct bound.

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        • Originally posted by Chesh View Post
          Damn. What would a Promethean think of that? Here they are, craving a soul and a normal human existence, empty and lost. Then there are Sin-Eaters, who are also empty but not "bothered much" by it and who still get to enjoy all the benefits of life. I'm getting a whiff of potential resentment and conflict...
          ironically, in order to get a New Dawn a Promethean has to die and drink from a River- meaning that in order to get a soul, Prometheans has to learn how to lose on. I wonder what Geists would think of the Created drinking from the Rivers like they did, especially since the first lose their humanity from the act and the later gain it from doing so. Perhaps we will get something about it from the Crossover Chronicles.


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          • Originally posted by milo v3 View Post
            Whenever I imagine Sin-Eaters in a crossover environment, I always end up imagining each of the Bound's geists having a persona that ties to the other splats. Sin-eaters who bargained with Longius, Lycaon, Oberon, Osiris, Ammut, Angels, and Nyx. Toying with the other splats mythology would probably be rather amusing to some of the non-sacrosanct bound.
            Ah this is a great thought. I did not think of that...thank you!

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            • Maybe for the Y-Splat, Business (as in Unfinished Business). Something drove the Bound to reject their own death, and taking up the Bargain. Could have been Vengeance (the desire to make someone pay, either for their death, or something prior), Protection (not letting death stop them from saving, protecting, or providing for someone/something), Obligation (something needing to be completed before the grave can have its say), or just sheer Rejection (refusal to accept that life is now beyond them, or that they can die).

              Thoughts? Threshold would be how they died, Business would be why they said No.


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              • Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
                Maybe for the Y-Splat, Business (as in Unfinished Business). Something drove the Bound to reject their own death, and taking up the Bargain. Could have been Vengeance (the desire to make someone pay, either for their death, or something prior), Protection (not letting death stop them from saving, protecting, or providing for someone/something), Obligation (something needing to be completed before the grave can have its say), or just sheer Rejection (refusal to accept that life is now beyond them, or that they can die).

                Thoughts? Threshold would be how they died, Business would be why they said No.
                I rather like that idea!

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                • Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
                  Maybe for the Y-Splat, Business (as in Unfinished Business). Something drove the Bound to reject their own death, and taking up the Bargain. Could have been Vengeance (the desire to make someone pay, either for their death, or something prior), Protection (not letting death stop them from saving, protecting, or providing for someone/something), Obligation (something needing to be completed before the grave can have its say), or just sheer Rejection (refusal to accept that life is now beyond them, or that they can die).

                  Thoughts? Threshold would be how they died, Business would be why they said No.
                  Issue with that would be that it means there is a very quick end point to the entire point of your Y-splat unless the whole campaign revolves around you. After two or three sessions it becomes worthless.

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                  • I have the same issue so I think this Business could use some work. That was my first thought. My second was how it would work out if the Business was related to the Geist. Much more play could be derived from Vengeance when the Sin-eater is largely unaware of the details. The Geist forgot the details and just tends to want to see vengeance dished out.

                    I don't expect any open development, so I suspect the details are already worked out.

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                    • Originally posted by Diggs View Post
                      I have the same issue so I think this Business could use some work. That was my first thought. My second was how it would work out if the Business was related to the Geist. Much more play could be derived from Vengeance when the Sin-eater is largely unaware of the details. The Geist forgot the details and just tends to want to see vengeance dished out.

                      I don't expect any open development, so I suspect the details are already worked out.

                      The Y-Splat being specific to the nature of the Geist in the character is another interesting option. Perhaps, in that option, the Geist's outlook or approach to the Bargain is the Y-splat?

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                      • Wonder if there will also be an anthology book coming for this. :P

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                        • Originally posted by Runcible View Post
                          Wonder if there will also be an anthology book coming for this. :P
                          My vote and hope is YES!

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                          • Originally posted by Runcible View Post
                            Wonder if there will also be an anthology book coming for this. :P
                            Thus far the 2E corebooks have had all anthologies, haven't they?


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                            • Originally posted by malonkey1 View Post

                              Thus far the 2E corebooks have had all anthologies, haven't they?
                              Yes indeed. God-Machine Chronicle Anthology, Strix Chronicle Anthology (Vampire Requiem), Idigam Chronicle Anthology (Werewolf Forsaken), Fallen World Chronicle Anthology (Mage Awakening), Firestorm Chronicle Anthology (Promethean Created), Interface Anthology (Demon Descent), Primordial Feast Anthology (Beast Primordial).

                              The Huntsmen Chronicle Anthology (for the upcoming Changeling 2E) is currently at WWP for approvals according to the last Monday's Notes & the Current Projects page specifically mentions a Slasher Chronicle Anthology (for the upcoming Hunter 2E).

                              I'm positive there will be a Geist one in the works before long, especially as Geist 2E is further along on the development schedule than Hunter that already has one promised

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                              • Originally posted by milo v3 View Post
                                Issue with that would be that it means there is a very quick end point to the entire point of your Y-splat unless the whole campaign revolves around you. After two or three sessions it becomes worthless.
                                I think it could work if it becomes a general affinity you have to ghosts with similar unresolved issue and connected to powers that define your approach (offensive for vengeance, defensive for protection, etc). It could be a neat synergy with Threshold. Someone who drowned and came back for vengeance would have water-themed hurt-y, curse-y powers, where if the same person came back to protect someone their watery powers would be shrouds and barriers.


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