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  • Vigilant Industries: Cheiron Group, Yam VeNahar, and ... ?

    In Lostlight's thread on the Yam VeNahar Factories, I asked if it was an analogy to the strains of the cursed blood, coming up with Cheiron analogues for other industries. The answer was no, but it still strikes me as an interesting thought experiment: what other industries (not necessarily corporations) can we come up with compacts or conspiracies for?

    [Full disclosure: I'm not planning to try writing up anything we come up with; my fan-material-writing energies are earmarked for elsewhere at the moment; but if anyone else feels like it...]


    Lost Light tied the various strains of the cursed blood to particular game lines, and that's not a bad place to start thinking:

    Vampire: Edited in light of The Kings Raven's suggestion. The security industry. Sunrise Securities, who supply bouncers and other guards to nightclubs. They might be hireable for other functions, or provide personal bodyguards as well, or that might be spreading themselves too thin; from a Vigil perspective, the club scene is their core function. Hunt vampires who prey on clubgoers - they might know about other supernaturals, though the nightclub is much less likely for venue for those that prey on humans (the next most likely I could see doing so are changelings looking for emotional glamour) - and I can't see them forgoing human or slasher predators along the way. Probably a compact; an endowment might be Backup, relatively self-explanatory.

    Werewolf: Edited in light of Vent0's suggestion. The real estate industry. A development firm, and conspiracy - with sway in various levels of government - whose owners possess a mystical understanding of Resonance, and endowment consisting of magical rites that draw on it. Align many of their projects to take advantage of (or over the longer term, alter) Resonance for their own purposes. Hunt werewolves and spirits first and foremost, of course as both are rivals for their principle resource - and unlike Les Mysteres, they're enemies of both sides of that equation - and can do so with means few werewolf packs can hope to deal with (which is just as well, as werewolves bring means few in the company can hope to deal with).

    Mage: I don't have anything for Mage.

    Promethean: Edited with a bit more detail. The energy industry. An old idea (I thought it might have been Lost Light's, LostLight said no, and that it might have been Glamourweaver). A power company that has discovered the Divine Fire, and is trying to find ways to harvest Pyros and Firestorms for energy. Left to themselves, they might not have been hunters at all, but Firestorms attract supernatural attention, especially Prometheans, and with Prometheans attention turns hostile pretty easily. They don't cut Prometheans open to harvest Pyros (not the kind of science they instinctively turn to), but do have a policy of trying to capture Prometheans to use as lightning rods for the Divine Fire. There might be alchemists among them, but it's not what they're looking for. They investigate other supernaturals too, mostly with a view to discerning what form of energy they draw on and what other uses it might turn to. Probably a compact; don't know what endowment they would have, unless it's some sort of "weather" forecast.

    Changeling: If the civil service counts as an industry, then the Office of the Lord Stweards can count as a Changeling-oriented conspiracy. Otherwise, I don't know what really fits, unless have mental health professionals who specialise in the victims of supernatural attacks (did someone come up with this at some point? It's sounding familiar now). In parallel to the Talbot group counting werewolves as people they should help, this goup might count changelings as victims (not without considerable justification, either).

    Demon: Edited to adjust nofather's Vampire idea to Demon. The fashion industry. It's a place where a lot of messy and pressured lives collide, and where almost everyone has to create personas for themselves, sometimes at the expense of their real selves - the perfect place for demons to buy and sell. Some years back a model found exactly what was looking to "help" a friend get over a problem - be it an addiction, a breakup, abuse, or whatever - and somehow managed to drive the demon away. The group has grown since then, those under the spotlight looking out for each other against the things that reach out from the shadows. It could grow beyond demons pretty easily - vampires have already been shown to be a natural fit - changelings, slashers, sineaters, ghosts, and maybe witches work as well. Compact probably; don't know what the endowment would be.

    Geist: Edited to not let myself cheat just because I like the Brotherhood . The funeral industry. Death attracts a lot of attention, and in the Chronicles of Darkness, some of that attention is from supernatural parties, perhaps including the deceased. Ghosts, necromancers, sineaters, abmortals, revenants vampires, charms and other death-bling, gates to the Underworld - lots for a network of funeral homes to contend with. To say nothing of less innately death oriented supernaturals who may still find cemeteries and crematoria a good place to hide inconvenient bodies (that goes both ways of course: fewer hunter groups have so convenient a means of hiding inconvenient monster bodies). Compact, probably - they might have a little necromancy, but that would likely tread too much on the Council of Bones.

    Mummy: The auction industry, perhaps? Lots of old stuff coming through, some of which is desired by sinister parties who might not want to wait or pay. Mummies and their cults might not be the only danger - lots of immortals and cults out there, not least of them those Aegis kai Doru bastards - hell, there will be some lots that are dangerous in their own right. The Vigil might be motivated by dealing with these types, but also by making sure that the compact gets its money's worth.

    Beast: The chemical industry - the aforementioned Yam HeNavar is already centred on Beast.

    Deviant: The Cheiron Group would be cheating, even if it fits so well that Deviant's developers lookied for Monica Valentinelli's permission to include it. Is environmental cleanup an industry do you think? Could a firm that engages in that regard Deviants as human pollution, to be cleaned up by any means necessary?


    Outside the industries in the thoughts above, how might a chain of hotels go about hunting (do they hunt at all, or are they just good at spotting those who visit on clandestine business, and trapping those with supernatural connections)? The shipping industry? The entertainment industry?

    Or long-haul truckers? They see the fringes of a lot of places, and a lot more places between them. They are the kind of people who might be tapped by the secretive to carry messages or packages (from the perspective of werewolves, they are parties whose work takes them into many territories without being associated with a particular one). And in time they might realise just why the secretive have to be secretive. A compact like this might be case-by-case in outlook, only going after supernaturals that are clearly up to no good - and maybe even still doing favours for those that aren't - the latter, as well as differing opinions on which is which, is a good way to get factions.
    Last edited by SunlessNick; 03-10-2017, 10:59 AM.

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    Vampires and sex workers. I think there was a Compact similar to that in the Edo Dark Era. So, obviously there is enough traction to run with it.

    Real Estate Developers and Werewolves would also mesh well - both are concerned about location, location, location, after all. And it's a bit different to combat Packs through zoning laws and gentrification disrupting their Shadow ecologies.

    Mages would be tough - Hunters can't really compete with Mages in most cases. Normal Sleepers can't profit of Supernal magic (easily), either. That means they'd pretty much have to be a Conspiracy, and somehow avoid getting absorbed by the Seer's own corporate interests.

    Firestorm Energy Corporation. I like it. They probably do have a few Alchemists on team, but probably wouldn't be primarily composed of them.

    As for Changelings, the Hedge seems like a great resource for Pharmaceuticals, Agriculture/Horticulture, Drugs, and Smuggling. The psycho-active nature of it would be good for psychology as well. And gas-lighting a Changeling would be brutal.

    For Geist, Orpheus Technologies - boldly going where everyone ends up eventually. Ghosts would make great assets for espionage as well. The Underworld would also be great for smuggling. Might be slightly off topic, but I think an organized crime syndicate would be great (the "underworld", using the Great Below for smuggling and Vice dens, ghosts for spying/thuggery or even as a "drug" - huffing ghost vapors for exotic new experiences).

    Mummy already has Last Dynasty International.

    Demon already has Deva Corporation.

    Deviant isn't out yet, but is pretty much Build-a-Conspiracy.

    Considering Fan-splats?


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
      Considering Fan-splats?
      If you want, sure.

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      • #4
        Let's not forget the Hototogisu, of course. They've got their fingers in just about every supernatural circle in Tokyo, especially vampires.


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        • #5
          Actually, human traffic/sex workers kind of "company" that hunts vampires is pretty much the Scharlach Spinnwebe, even though they belong to another project so it is kinda cheating.

          As for the energy-company, it wasn't me. It was in the old forum's Torch Bearers thread, I believe. Perhaps it was glamourweaver, but I'm not sure.

          I may add ny thoughts to the subject once I'll have time. I'm right after a test right now :P


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          • #6
            Originally posted by LostLight View Post
            Actually, human traffic/sex workers kind of "company" that hunts vampires is pretty much the Scharlach Spinnwebe, even though they belong to another project so it is kinda cheating.
            Not unless you reskin the conspiracies of that set to have no connection to the Exarchs. But that's up to the individual Storyteller.


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            • #7
              For vampires: A security firm that supplies bouncers to night clubs seems like the perfect choice. It hits the intersection of two iconic bits of vampire myth. The glamours post Ann Rice vampire seducing young people in a nightclub. And the ban upon entering any home without an invitation. Bouncers as antagonists would be a way of modernising that ban, transporting it from the classic vampire hunting ground of the isolated peasant hovel to the modern hunting ground of the nightclub.

              If I wrote it they'd probably end up more as vampire antagonists rather than hunter protagonists. The "invisible force fields" around homes condensed into an actual charachter who must be tricked or avoided if the vampire to access the club and the meal within.


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              • #8
                you know, if you want to explore "evil corporations", it could be fun to think how each could be tied down to an appropriate "evil monster" of the hunted line. A company shaded by the wings of Owls? An idigam which manifested itself into the company's very structure? An abyssal corporation which twists magic, or perhaps a factory from the Lower Depths which feeds upon it? A certain company which serves as the Maw of the Devourer or the hand of the Judges? Sure, the God Machine is already taken by Deva (and, to some extant, Raziel- which should also be here on the list. A weapon company is still a company), and Alchemists by Amalgama, but the options are still there to explore.

                EDIT- also, considering fansplats, Siren had a make up company. that sounds look.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
                  Vampire: Is it too crass to count sex work as an industry? But we are talking about a frequently preyed-upon group, as well as a leading contender groups with no one to turn to but each other. Could a compact develop among those who realise that some fo their customers and predators aren't human? Or is it something that's unlikely to grow past a cell, or cells in different places that never interact?
                  It was slightly silly but I had it tied into the fashion industry. After a show a supermodel and her friend and coworker were invited up by some rich magnate who wanted a 'date' with both of them. After being plied with drugs and drink she woke up to find the vampire draining her friend to death and she sort of lucked out and staked him. She spent a lot of time after that organizing a sort of secret society of vampire hunters among other models so they could defend themselves. She later did other things.

                  It's easy to imagine something similar among actors. More of a union than a corporation, however. Perhaps it could be tied to a talent agency.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Kings Raven View Post
                    For vampires: A security firm that supplies bouncers to night clubs seems like the perfect choice. It hits the intersection of two iconic bits of vampire myth. The glamours post Ann Rice vampire seducing young people in a nightclub. And the ban upon entering any home without an invitation. Bouncers as antagonists would be a way of modernising that ban, transporting it from the classic vampire hunting ground of the isolated peasant hovel to the modern hunting ground of the nightclub.

                    If I wrote it they'd probably end up more as vampire antagonists rather than hunter protagonists. The "invisible force fields" around homes condensed into an actual charachter who must be tricked or avoided if the vampire to access the club and the meal within.
                    I rather like that. Even better, "Vigilant Industries" might actually be good name for it.

                    Originally posted by nofather View Post
                    It was slightly silly but I had it tied into the fashion industry. After a show a supermodel and her friend and coworker were invited up by some rich magnate who wanted a 'date' with both of them. After being plied with drugs and drink she woke up to find the vampire draining her friend to death and she sort of lucked out and staked him. She spent a lot of time after that organizing a sort of secret society of vampire hunters among other models so they could defend themselves. She later did other things.
                    What if this were tied to Demon instead of Vampire? Rather than the technological side of demons, focus on the identity element. Because the fashion industry is frequently made out to be a meaningless whirl - riddled with false personas, sold souls, imagery that signifies nothing, and empty style over substance - and the Chronicles of Darkness, that might well be true. Undeniably true is that it will be an environment that breeds messy lives, whose owners may be very willing to shed parts of when given the opportunity. Models are a weird counterpart with demons, in that they're in the public eye, but shielded to some extent by the widespread perception that they're nothing but that publicity - whereas the public eye is dangerous for demons, but necessary for some of their Covers - and the word "model" does evoke the technology to some extent. So how about your supermodel discovering just who was helping her friend deal with a bad break up and how?


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
                      What if this were tied to Demon instead of Vampire? Rather than the technological side of demons, focus on the identity element. Because the fashion industry is frequently made out to be a meaningless whirl - riddled with false personas, sold souls, imagery that signifies nothing, and empty style over substance - and the Chronicles of Darkness, that might well be true. Undeniably true is that it will be an environment that breeds messy lives, whose owners may be very willing to shed parts of when given the opportunity. Models are a weird counterpart with demons, in that they're in the public eye, but shielded to some extent by the widespread perception that they're nothing but that publicity - whereas the public eye is dangerous for demons, but necessary for some of their Covers - and the word "model" does evoke the technology to some extent. So how about your supermodel discovering just who was helping her friend deal with a bad break up and how?
                      That's just as good a way to go about it, but I already went my way, she was central to the East Coast Vigil in my setting and died years ago. It was well before Demon came out, as well. The incident with the model, Charlize van Horn, happened way back in the 80s. She was basically a hunter before Hunter came out so I had less defined ideas about the.

                      Going the Demon route there's the obvious 'pacting your way to fame and fortune,' that said groups can work to destroy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
                        I rather like that. Even better, "Vigilant Industries" might actually be good name for it.
                        I was thinking Sunrise Securities myself.



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                        • #13
                          Done some edits the first post to account for Vent0's, Kings Raven's, and nofather's ideas.

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                          • #14
                            Are these supposed to be "evil" corporations that maintain the Vigil, or is that merely optional?

                            For Changeling, at first I thought about Bounty Hunters, but that isn't that large of a business, and steps on the Knights of St. Adrian's toes. But what about a talent agency? They'd investigate people and try to match them up with the best fit for them (or, more likely, their clients). And as far a Changelings go? Well, since many fresh from the Hedge are essential non-persons, they'll need someone to help find work and a place, right? And for those who don't play ball - well, maybe they have a deal with some Goblins or a True Fae where they trade them "back" Changelings, in exchange for some made-to-order Fetches to fulfill their client's positions?

                            They'd be primarily investigative and informational, as opposed to "hands on" members of the Vigil. Thoughts?


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Vent0 View Post
                              Are these supposed to be "evil" corporations that maintain the Vigil, or is that merely optional?
                              Optional. The models wouldn't be a comapny unless they formed an agency of their own, and still wouldn't be evil even then, and it's hard to picture funeral homes or the Sunshine Securities idea as evil. I just thought that coming up with how industries other than medical or chemical would approach the Vigil within their lens was an interesting thing to spitball about.

                              But what about a talent agency? They'd investigate people and try to match them up with the best fit for them (or, more likely, their clients). And as far a Changelings go? Well, since many fresh from the Hedge are essential non-persons, they'll need someone to help find work and a place, right? And for those who don't play ball - well, maybe they have a deal with some Goblins or a True Fae where they trade them "back" Changelings, in exchange for some made-to-order Fetches to fulfill their client's positions?

                              They'd be primarily investigative and informational, as opposed to "hands on" members of the Vigil. Thoughts?
                              Interesting...

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