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  • LostLight
    started a topic Strains of the Cursed Blood

    Strains of the Cursed Blood

    just something that I've thought about while reading Dark Eras.

    I remember that when Beast's preview was out, I've simply thought about the Otodo as a local version of the Lucifuge- the names may be different, but their powers and nature is the same. However, Fallen Blossom's preview has clearly made it look like it was not the case- or at least, not exactly (I remember Kingsraven interpretation, that the Lucifuge are "royalty" while the Otodo are "commoners"). Things got even more interesting after I finally got Hunter's Dark Eras- The Lucifuge see the Otodo as a some sort of mystery in Fallen Blossoms, while the Lucifuge are seen through European lens in Doubting Souls even from the native hunters' point of view. That made me think that perhaps, the Lucifuge are not a global phenomena- that they spread together with their blood, and that the original birth of that lineage was somewhere in Europe, perhaps during the fall of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Dark Ages. The only way you could get further is by tying them to Judaism, at best to Lilith and Samael, or maybe even Moloch if we go all back to "Book of Judges" Era, which I'm not sure could work- the Lucifuge just don't feel that old. But I'm drifting- the point was that it all has started with one, single lineage, and as the culture in which it was birthed spread, so did they.

    But what about other lineages?

    There are many demons out there, after all- with the fallen angels of Christianity and the club wielding Oni are just a small part of Hell. Yet, not all such demons have given birth to earthly offspring- or if they did, those lineages has died out before organizing themselves- but others may survived. Pazuzu ruled over wind and plague, and those dark winds may have laid with women to give birth to their spawn. The Asura are addicted to their passions, and people may reborn as them if they weren't restrained in their former lives. The Daeva could be interpenetrated as psychological terrors, which sound a bit too similar to the demons from Inferno. The Yaoguai from China, the Yakseya from Sri Lanka, the Wekufe from South America- with some liberties, we could even get Egyptian and Mesoamerican lineages. While some of those lineages could survive into the modern era without a significant change- like the Indian or Chinese lineages- others may require a certain adjustment to their myths in order to find place in the world. The plague bearing children of Pazuzu, for example, may have embraced Islam and ties themselves to the court of Iblis. Mesoamerican lineage may have taken a Christian facade after loosing many of their kind for the diseases they suffered after the Spanish came to their land. On the other hand, some may have kept a low profile through the ancient times in order to survive- the children who were given to Moloch still banish demons in the Holy Land. Maat is still protected by those touched by the serpent's venom. And the best of all? Not all of them need to be descendant from Inferno! There are many demons out there, and each may spawn a different bloodline.

    And what about the L'Enfant Diabolique?

    Where the different families may keep to themselves, the L'Enfant may truly be a satanic conspiracy- they find 7th Generations from all around the world and breed them together. They embrace the demonspawn of any demons, of any hell. In their blood, mix the genetics of millennia of evil. They accept anyone, no matter who your parent is and from which hell you were spawned- as long as you commit to the satanic agenda. They are your family- and they want you home.

    so- any thoughts about the subject?

  • LostLight
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    Originally posted by Vent0 View Post

    Could you list which game-line (if any) the various groups are associated with in the post listing them?
    very well. Added.

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  • Vent0
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    Originally posted by LostLight View Post
    and with the last Bloodline of the http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/hunter-the-vigil/1121751-penyihir-mayat-strains-of-cursed-blood-south-east-asia"]Penyihir Mayat[/URL], I pronounce this project as complete! Of course, if someone has some cool idea about developing some of the ideas suggested in this thread or even adding new ones, feel free to do so and I'll include them in this thread!
    Could you list which game-line (if any) the various groups are associated with in the post listing them?

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  • LostLight
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    and with the last Bloodline of the Penyihir Mayat, I pronounce this project as complete! Of course, if someone has some cool idea about developing some of the ideas suggested in this thread or even adding new ones, feel free to do so and I'll include them in this thread!

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  • SunlessNick
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    How do they get the Nightmares? It might be interesting if they have to distill them from horrors (not Horrors) they see in the real world, the way Beasts make new Chambers - witnessing some act of fear or violation, not necessarily supernatural, and drawing power from how it resonates with the Primordial Dream - after which they can draw on it again. I could see being structured something like Castigation, in that there's a limit to how much resonance with fear and violation you can keep in you at once without getting callous and evil yourself - but getting new powers would require immersing yourself in darkness, and letting something horrible happen. Maybe avenging it afterwards.

    The subclause ideology for them might be "We're demons, and we're going to make them regret that."

    It doesn't say Australia to me, though.

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  • Deionscribe
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    Hmm. That actually works. If that is the case, what name would I give to the Endowment?

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  • LostLight
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    Originally posted by Deionscribe View Post
    I got a tentative idea for another Beast-themed lineage. Instead of Atavisms, what if its members use Nightmares for their Endowment? Part of me was thinking of calling the Endowment "Koshmar" if they have their origins in Russia, but I'm interested in expounding and revising this.
    well, considering that part of themes of the project is exploring how different strains differ through the world, if I were to make another Beast focused bloodline, Russia would probably be the last place I'll use for them, as the Storm Wardens already occupy that cultural region. Maybe Australia could offer better options for those of nightmarish blood?

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  • Deionscribe
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    I got a tentative idea for another Beast-themed lineage. Instead of Atavisms, what if its members use Nightmares for their Endowment? Part of me was thinking of calling the Endowment "Koshmar" if they have their origins in Russia, but I'm interested in expounding and revising this.

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  • LostLight
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    ammmm that is an interesting concept for Jotun blooded, which I've already thought as possible candidate for the Promethean descendant line. If I won't think about another, non european origin for such a lineage, I think I'll go with that direction. I do have tests right now, however, so it may take awhile.

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  • Deionscribe
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    Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
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    So how would this manifest in a hunter group? Monsters - including the various strains of cursed blood - are humanity's bad karma. The consequence of humanity building a world where monsters thrive. Therefore, the response according to this conspiracy is to build a world where monsters do not thrive. Hunting, and supporting other hunters, at least those that aren't monsters in their own right, is one approach. But in cultivating compassion and enlightenment are important too. It will take a long time, but if they succeed, they and the other monsters will be gone.
    I could just as easily picture this as being the basis for a faction in the Avici Sutra.

    Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
    A completely different approach might be a group of Scandinavian extraction who believe they have the blood of trolls (or to get grander about it, fire giants). Evil isn't the right word exactly, but their nature is ill and cursed. But the're not willing to settle for that - they want to be heroes, and reconised as such, and into Valhalla. So they want to go down in battle - but they want it to be a sufficiently heroic and hard-core battle that they're confident the Valkyries will choose them. Actually, rather than "the world is best rid of us," this might be expressed as "We're demons, but we want more".
    The "we want more" quote certainly sounds apt for this concept.

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  • SunlessNick
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    Originally posted by Deionscribe View Post
    The "world is best rid of us" one sounds like it could work for a lineage with suicidal tendencies. But before they die, they take the monsters they fight down with them.
    On RPGNet last year, a Buddhist poster made a long thread about Buddhist beliefs, which included some details about the Buddhist (at least his school's) view of karma that's quite different from how it's usually depicted. First, it's immediate: karma isn't a tally of good and bad according to which consequences are assigned; it's an abstracted tally of the consequences themselves. Second, it's not personalised: karma is "yours" to the extent that you cause it, but it may affect anyone; therefore, minimising your bad karma is an obligation to others as well as yourself.

    Eg, if you kick a dog, your first bit of bad karma is the pain the dog feels, and the distrust now engendered in that dog towards humans in general. It might include the strengthening of that part of yourself that likes kicking dogs, the pain you feel when the dog responds by biting you, or the pain someone else feels when the dog bites them assuming they're going to kick it. On a more metaphysical level, it might be final thing that tips you into reincarnation into one of the hells, because that's the only way you know how see the world any more.

    So how would this manifest in a hunter group? Monsters - including the various strains of cursed blood - are humanity's bad karma. The consequence of humanity building a world where monsters thrive. Therefore, the response according to this conspiracy is to build a world where monsters do not thrive. Hunting, and supporting other hunters, at least those that aren't monsters in their own right, is one approach. But inculcatng compassion and enlightenment are important too. It will take a long time, but if they succeed, they and the other monsters will be gone.

    A completely different approach might be a group of Scandinavian extraction who believe they have the blood of trolls (or to get grander about it, fire giants). Evil isn't the right word exactly, but their nature is ill and cursed. But the're not willing to settle for that - they want to be heroes, and reconised as such, and into Valhalla. So they want to go down in battle - but they want it to be a sufficiently heroic and hard-core battle that they're confident the Valkyries will choose them. Actually, rather than "the world is best rid of us," this might be expressed as "We're demons, but we want more."

    Either of these have a pretty generic view of monsters, so if they parallel any of the lines the way the Strains threads have been doing, it would be the generic horrors in the Chrod core book. If they have an Endowment, it might just be Dread Powers.

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  • Deionscribe
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    Originally posted by SunlessNick View Post
    Hm. So is there any inspiration to draw from trying to come up other second clauses?
    The "world is best rid of us" one sounds like it could work for a lineage with suicidal tendencies. But before they die, they take the monsters they fight down with them.

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  • SunlessNick
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    Hm. So is there any inspiration to draw from trying to come up other second clauses?

    "We are demons, but that doesn't mean what it once did." - This might suit a group that believes its otherworldly progenitors have been destroyed or redeemed. Though I can't come up with any ideas for that I like.

    "We are demons, and all we have is each other." - This might suit a group that traces its origin to an event rather than an otherworldly being or species. Maybe they claim descent from people who survived the Flood: in their blood, they have the unrighteousness of the Antediluvian world diluted with the rage of the waters; they don't belong in this new world, and cling to one another. Or from Cain or Cartaphilus, both rejected by the world in their own ways. Or from the thieves who were crucified alongside Jesus, and resurrected (or half-resurrected) when he was; now their blood bears divinity that was never meant for them. Any of those could have parallels with Promethean; some suggest redemption or self-defence as hunting methods, but in fact the hunting might be orthogonal to their ancestry: they think hunting is worth doing for the reasons any hunter might think so, just that their powers make them good at it.

    "We are demons, and the world is best rid of us." - I don't know what a group like this would be, but it's an ideology that occurred to me.

    "We are not demons." - This might also suit a group descended from an event. Or a group whose rejection of their purported progenitor is a rejection of the whole myth (as if the Lucifuge didn't believe in the devil, thinking their powers came from something else). Or a group that has no idea what's in their blood only that it has power. It might also suit a group whose progenitor is frequenty demonised, but whose demonism they reject. Maybe they descend from Ha-Shaitan the Accuser, and their task is to put the monsters of the world through trials to test their righteousness; they could easily be siblings of the Lucifuge, and L'Enfants Diabolique, but they'd see the Vigil very differently.

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  • LostLight
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    so, while I'm thinking about the last promethean bloodline, here is a sum up post about the difference in ideology and philosophy among the many Strains of Cursed Blood:

    Lucifuge: "we are demons, and we must redeem ourselves for that"

    Otodo: "we are demons, and it gives us burden and duty"

    Tartaruchi: "we are demons, but hell has its place in the world"

    Al Rih al Asuad: "we are demons, and it takes one to beat one"

    Hrt Isfet: "we are demons, for it is the lesser of two evils"

    Nemontemi: "we are demons, and we won't forget it again"

    Penyihir Mayat: "we are demons, but we still have a choice"

    Tiansheng: "we are demons, so what?"

    Tatau o te Po: "we are demons, and they hate us for that"

    Avici Sutra: "we are demons, but we don't have to be"

    Usij: "we are demons, so we can walk among them unseen"

    Burya Storozh: "we are demons, and it gives us power to protect our people"

    Benei Topheth: "we are demons, and those who made us such would pay"

    L'Enfant Diabolique: "we are demons"
    Last edited by LostLight; 07-28-2017, 06:44 AM.

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  • Deionscribe
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    Originally posted by LostLight View Post
    well, that's something to consider. Perhaps the new lineage is a recreation of an ancient one- that is, each time one bloodline finish its role and achieves "New Dawn" of some sort, the Principle guides another to take its place or something?
    I really wonder how that could be handled. That said, weren't Qashmallim capable of bestowing parthenogenic pregnancies or something in 1E?

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