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  • #16
    Originally posted by Axelgear View Post
    I don't recall it being mentioned in the Seers book, only the Mage Noir one,
    They're mentioned in passing as the developers of the Leeching ATM Card imbued item.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Axelgear View Post

      The comparison of the Lie to the complacency bred by a comfortable developed world existence strikes closer to home than usual.
      I don't think the Lie is necessarily one for one with the complacency bred by a comfortable developed world existence, given that the Lie is just as strong in the developing world as it is in the developed one, and has been throughout all of history (given that the Time Before never really happened.)

      It just so happens that said complacency is a really, really, really good tool for helping it along.

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      • #18
        I always assumed that the Seers controlled various bug corporations, government departments and such the same way that the Pentacle influence Mystery Cults.

        Like, the Seers aren't massive Silicon Valley tech companies for example. But they have inserted their ideas and symbols into said companies to ease access to them and influence over them when they need it. The Seer isn't on the Board of Directors, but they're a shady Consultant the board knows, who has been in all their heads and knows just how to pull their strings to change the odd policy, reinforce the Lie here and there, divert resources on occasion to other tasks etc.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Solar View Post
          I always assumed that the Seers controlled various bug corporations, government departments and such the same way that the Pentacle influence Mystery Cults.

          Like, the Seers aren't massive Silicon Valley tech companies for example. But they have inserted their ideas and symbols into said companies to ease access to them and influence over them when they need it. The Seer isn't on the Board of Directors, but they're a shady Consultant the board knows, who has been in all their heads and knows just how to pull their strings to change the odd policy, reinforce the Lie here and there, divert resources on occasion to other tasks etc.
          I think there are Sleepwalkers on the Board of Directors who can see the truth and have been given wealth and power in exchange for cooperation, though. The Sleepwalkers have their place in the Iron Pyramid.

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          • #20
            Now I wonder if E(vil) Corp from Mr Robot is more Mammon or Pantechnicon controlled...



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            • #21
              Originally posted by Axelgear View Post

              It raises the obvious question of just how many Ministries there are out there.

              Actually, the Seers of the Throne book does state that there may be hundreds of Lesser Ministries out there spread all across the globe. The big difference between them and the most famous Lesser Ministries like Mammon and Pantechnicon are that they're usually either very regional in scope or very specific in their function. In reality, they might as well be thought off as just Nameless Orders loyal to the Exarchs who loosely follow the Ministry and Tetrerchy structure. Most don't even have archmasters as Ministers or Tetrarchs, and are only given a minor voice in the Tetrarchy because they provide a very niche service to the more global Ministries.

              The best example I can think of off the top of my head is the example of a Heretic Lesser Ministry from Left-Handed Path: The Cult of the Stone Whisper. Their entire purpose, their one job, was to oversee an imprisoned Bound and make sure nothing threatened it's prison seals and they ended up worshiping and serving it instead of their patron Exarch.
              Last edited by Dusksage; 03-13-2017, 10:31 PM. Reason: Corrections: Wrong Book Name

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              • #22
                Could've sworn I saw a Ministry of Pornography mentioned in one of the intro fic pieces somewhere. Or maybe I retconned it into my memory because it sounds like something a Lesser Ministry might tackle... btw, digging Dusksage's comparison of the Lesser Ministries to Nameless Orders (who happen to focus their collective praxes around the symbology of an Exarch in some fashion).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Knowbody View Post
                  Could've sworn I saw a Ministry of Pornography mentioned in one of the intro fic pieces somewhere. Or maybe I retconned it into my memory because it sounds like something a Lesser Ministry might tackle... btw, digging Dusksage's comparison of the Lesser Ministries to Nameless Orders (who happen to focus their collective praxes around the symbology of an Exarch in some fashion).

                  You're not retconning that. It's either an actual Lesser Ministry or just a made up one by that Théarch protagonist in order to pass off as another Seer in the Sanctum & Sigil opening fiction.

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                  • #24
                    A Lesser Ministry of pornography? I do wonder what form of control they promote. The Raptor, perhaps? ("We are nothing but animals")


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                    • #25
                      That or a lesser aspect of The Eye, maybe? "You want this, but don't let anyone catch you watching/reading it!"

                      And thanks for the reassurance that I'm not crazy, Dusksage.

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                      • #26
                        My money's on the Chancellor.

                        As much as I've heard the pronography industry is doing a lot better about presenting liberated sexuality and sexual expression as opposed to raw sexual objectification, the industry has such a long history of objectifying sex that if the Ministry does exist it probably would be yet another Lesser Ministry of the Chancellor.

                        Still though, even if that one Théarch did make it up on the spot, that fact that it worked in the story and has turned into a topical discussion now is absolutely hilarious.
                        Last edited by Dusksage; 03-14-2017, 04:02 PM. Reason: Spellcheck

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                        • #27
                          A Ministry about pornography could also follow the Ruin,

                          "Fate’s Seal is the entropy that destroys dreams, relationships and even civilizations. Mystic destinies create new opportunities, but the Ruin ensures that people are skeptical and cynical about the opportunities ahead of them."

                          That sure sounds a lot like most of the pornography industry. Rather than sexual liberation and pride, it represents destroyed dreams and exploitation.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by RomulusGloriosus View Post

                            I think there are Sleepwalkers on the Board of Directors who can see the truth and have been given wealth and power in exchange for cooperation, though. The Sleepwalkers have their place in the Iron Pyramid.
                            Yes, me too. Seems to make a lot of sense, especially as to the Seers, magic is a bribe and a threat, and Sleepwalkers can more easily be shown the riches you can shower them with... and the horrors of what awaits those who betray the service of the Exarchs.

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                            • #29
                              This thread has left me pondering what other lesser Ministries or foci of oppression might exist out there that the Seers and their Exarchial cult brethren may exploit in earnest. Given the subject of the Pantechnicon, my thoughts have resided on the Father as a source of mangled anti-spiritualism and the rise of modern materialist thinking that is, in the Mage cosmology, objectively wrong. At the turn of the last century, Nietzsche predicted the future and it was a godless world that he saw; one where religion lost its power to sway and guide and grand but cruel ideologies would rule.

                              From scientific ("scientific") racism and sexism proclaiming it was right for one race or sex to rule over all others due to supposed demonstrable superiority, to the turning of the supernatural, so manifest a thing in the lives of all humans for eons, into something that admitting a public belief in outside of the most banal and mundane senses earned accusations of feebleness of mind, it is not hard to feel the hand of the Seers at work in reinforcing such institutions.

                              Prime is the arcanum of Truth, after all, and nothing is so profoundly capable of producing ignorance as half a Truth.

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