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  • Time Magic - Ultimate mystery solver

    Am I only one with with this problem, or Time magic solves every mystery (not Mystery) ever with one dot? You can always look into the past. You can use Mage Sight on past events. You can track down everyone back in time with Time magic - you just move and look into the past there your target was, and can track it to everywhere. Every problem with information is solved with looking back in Time. There is literally no crime you can't solve with Time magic as if you were on spot of murder. Is that supposed to be so?

  • #2
    Sure. You can solve any murder mystery with Death 1, too, or even Fate 1 (a bit of a stretch.) That's why Mages focus on Mysteries and not on mysteries.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by RomulusGloriosus View Post
      You can solve any murder mystery
      Even if killer is another mage? How the hell they can kill each other then, if tracking the killer down is trivial? How do Banishers without Time Magic even exist?

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      • #4
        But since there are other Mages and supernaturals out there, can you really trust that what you saw with a simple Time spell is what really happened?

        What if the people in the event were possessed or mind-controlled or there was an invisible entity there , you wouldn't see that with a quick Time spell.

        Of course that's when a mystery becomes a Mystery as RomulusGloriosus said.


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        • #5
          Time can be twisted and obscured. And there's of course the prblem of time not actually giving you sight into Twilight or seeing the invisible. If a perpetrator knows they might be tracked down by a pre-/post- cog (Not just mages but some thaumaturgists or whatnot), they might activate obscuring powers - act from the Shadow or from Twilight, bend light or use Obfuscate to become invisible, use Mind (or, again, Obfuscate) to become hard to notice, etc. Hell, many of these are just sensible precautions whether or not you're expecting to be Time-spied upon.

          Or, a particularly cunning or conniving creature (elder Vampire for example) might attempt to use Dominate in a currently-empty direction where they think a Mage would look the Vampire in the eyes from, through post-cognition (though it's up to the storyteller whether this actually can work. I'd totally run it that way.)

          To analyze something through Mage Sight, you have to actually be able to see (or sense) it first. Even with postcognition.


          Edit: There's also the problem that if you're at the scene of the crime, you're not casting on the target, you're casting on a place. You still have to find an appropriate Link to the perp if you want to follow them through time.

          Edit 2:
          "You rewind and rewind. You see a man walking backwards, seeming uninteresting until you see him stare off in a direction and mutter something. You stop at the beginning of his sentence – maybe it's important – and come around, circling him in paused-time to size him up. He looks pale, angular. His eyes command a powerful presence. There's something in them. Not literally, of course, but there's something... deep. You stare and let go of your hold on time. The scene progresses. He whispers: "Grab your friend and slit his throat".

          The order resonates in your skull.
          Roll Resolve + Composure."
          Last edited by Fata-Ku; 03-16-2017, 02:46 PM.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dark Archon View Post
            Even if killer is another mage? How the hell they can kill each other then, if tracking the killer down is trivial? How do Banishers without Time Magic even exist?
            By not being that obvious. Yeah, if you just walk up to a guy, shoot him with mind bullets, and leave his body there with no attempt to remove the body/erase all signs that this was a crime scene then yes, you're going to get caught. Banishers that do that tend to get found out and killed relatively quickly. It's the smart Banishers that tailor it so that you aren't even sure that a crime was committed at all that live to kill again.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ashenrogue View Post
              Yeah, if you just walk up to a guy, shoot him with mind bullets, and leave his body there with no attempt to remove the body/erase all signs that this was a crime scene then yes, you're going to get caught.
              The problem is that you still are seen doing all this in the past. And if you don't have Time magic, I don't see many variants of you getting away with this.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dark Archon View Post
                The problem is that you still are seen doing all this in the past. And if you don't have Time magic, I don't see many variants of you getting away with this.
                You aren't seen doing it in the past if they don't know where/when to look and don't have a reason to look in the first place. And if you're subtle enough, even looking in the past they might not even know you were doing anything.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ashenrogue View Post
                  You aren't seen doing it in the past if they don't know where/when to look.
                  You have Time magic to track down the killed one. You just look at him in the past up to the moment when he died, and then you witness his death.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dark Archon View Post
                    You have Time magic to track down the killed one. You just look at him in the past up to the moment when he died, and then you witness his death.
                    Track down the killed one? Who knows anyone was killed? If there's no body, no crime scene, no nothing, what are they looking for?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ashenrogue View Post
                      Track down the killed one? Who knows anyone was killed? If there's no body, no crime scene, no nothing, what are they looking for?
                      The missing mage? They are usually don't exist in the vacuum: they have friends, relatives, even rivals who might just miss their colleague.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dark Archon View Post
                        The missing mage?
                        Who went missing when? Where? You'd have to go back to literally the last place you knew he was for a fact and then take who knows how long casting and recasting postcognition in various areas trying to figure out where he went, following him in the past throughout his life. And when you eventually find where he dies, you see nothing linking it to the murderer because assuming he isn't an idiot, he didn't just walk up and kill him, and arranged his death from far enough away subtly enough that even watching it you wouldn't link him to the murder.

                        So they've not only wasted a lot of time trying to track him down, but had to expose themselves as people attempting to find their friend to the killer who may/may not be watching their every move.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dark Archon View Post
                          You have Time magic to track down the killed one. You just look at him in the past up to the moment when he died, and then you witness his death.
                          If the attacker is a human, yes.
                          If not, there's:
                          • Invisibility - forces
                          • Twilight - Death
                          • The Shadow - Spirit
                          • Being literally cloaked in Shadows - Death again
                          • Manipulating all perception to be invisible - Mind AoE
                          • Being nowhere - Space warp
                          • Getting the investigator to consistently pick the wrong Time to scry or be interrupted - Fate
                          • Destroying the corpse so completely that there's nothing to find - Matter
                          • Being someone else at the time - Shapeshifting
                          • Doing it through a puppet-proxy - Prime (Tulpa), Life (muscle control), Death (ghostly possession), Spirit (spiritual possession) or Mind (psychic domination)
                          etc.

                          And that's without even getting into the really wierd shit like Abyssal Summoning and killing someone through their own Oneiros.
                          Last edited by Fata-Ku; 03-16-2017, 02:58 PM.


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                          • #14
                            Time is great for answering What Happened and How It Happened. It's not great for Whys, and that's assuming you can actually see What and How clearly-events may happen in a way that don't make a whole lot of sense.

                            If you've ever seen a show where the moment of "truth" was shown and the protagonists were more confused than ever, then you have an idea of how Time begins to fall apart. Besides, it's a poor mage who is only interested in Whats and Hows.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ashenrogue View Post
                              You'd have to go back to literally the last place you knew he was for a fact
                              Fairly easily done if the subject didn't lead secluded life, in which case he probably wouldn't be missed.

                              Originally posted by Ashenrogue View Post
                              then take who knows how long casting and recasting postcognition in various areas trying to figure out where he went, following him in the past throughout his life.
                              Again, not that long with casting taking about 3 seconds.

                              Originally posted by Ashenrogue View Post
                              And when you eventually find where he dies, you see nothing linking it to the murderer because assuming he isn't an idiot, he didn't just walk up and kill him, and arranged his death from far enough away subtly enough that even watching it you wouldn't link him to the murder.
                              First of all, such proxies would lead back to the murderer. Second of all, if you look at somebody, they may look back. If he tries to kill you, he has done a job of tracking for you. All that is left is to survive the assault.

                              If not, there's
                              A whole lot of things which are all left in Time and could be penetrated with sufficiently strong Magic Sight.
                              Basically you are saying that solving the mage crime is either trivially easy, or outright impossible. Doesn't make for very interesting game.

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