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    I don't want to start another "mages are OP" or "the one percent template" thread. But I wonder, how many of the abilities/powers of the other supernaturals can be replicated with awakened magic, even in a different, less direct way as they do?

  • #2
    Well. All of them. Give us an example and we can try to translate it to arcana ratings. Looks like a fun exercise.

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    • #3
      Let's start with something fun.

      Two 2ed Ed Changeling Contracts:
      Discret Conjuration and Hidden Reality

      Discret Conjuration (3 dot contract)
      The character reaches into a small location she cannot see into, such as a handbag or a drawer and pulls out an item no larger of Size 1. This item can be anything the character has seen or handled before. The item is the most basic of its kind, but fully functional and ready to use — a camera takes pictures, a smartphone can make calls and access a wi-fi connection, and a gun shoots bullets from its fully loaded clip. Objects created this way cannot have special qualifier, such as a gun having special types of ammunition loaded in, or water that has been blessed. No matter what item the character conjures forward, it cannot carry a value higher than what could be purchased with Resources 3.


      Hidden Reality (4 dot contract)
      The character changes some feature of her surrounding that was not previously obvious and so might have been present naturally. For example, she may create a hidden latch on a box to allow her to open it, a wall outlet behind a table, or a window or door behind a curtain. In all cases, the change must be reasonable and relatively minor in scope. A new door in a wall must lead to the other side of the wall, and not to the outside. Anything she creates or changes must be considered a part of an object, such as a lock on a door, a door in a room, or a window to a car. All changes vanish after one scene or if no one is paying attention to it.
      Wizened characters may create objects that could reasonably be found in a room or building, as long as she cannot see into the room or building she is performing this Contract in. She may find a set of keys on a nearby table, or a car parked in the garage.
      Last edited by Horodrigo; 04-17-2017, 09:06 AM.


      Check my homebrews:
      Vampire Bloodlines: Kiasyd
      Mage Legacies: Infernal Ones, Daoine

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Horodrigo View Post
        Discret Conjuration (3 dot contract)
        The character reaches into a small location she cannot see into, such as a handbag or a drawer and pulls out an item no larger of Size 1. This item can be anything the character has seen or handled before. The item is the most basic of its kind, but fully functional and ready to use — a camera takes pictures, a smartphone can make calls and access a wi-fi connection, and a gun shoots bullets from its fully loaded clip. Objects created this way cannot have special qualifier, such as a gun having special types of ammunition loaded in, or water that has been blessed. No matter what item the character conjures forward, it cannot carry a value higher than what could be purchased with Resources 3.
        Either Space (3?) to get an actual item, or Prime 3 for Platonic Form.

        Originally posted by Horodrigo View Post
        Hidden Reality (4 dot contract)
        The character changes some feature of her surrounding that was not previously obvious and so might have been present naturally. For example, she may create a hidden latch on a box to allow her to open it, a wall outlet behind a table, or a window or door behind a curtain. In all cases, the change must be reasonable and relatively minor in scope. A new door in a wall must lead to the other side of the wall, and not to the outside. Anything she creates or changes must be considered a part of an object, such as a lock on a door, a door in a room, or a window to a car. All changes vanish after one scene or if no one is paying attention to it.
        Wizened characters may create objects that could reasonably be found in a room or building, as long as she cannot see into the room or building she is performing this Contract in. She may find a set of keys on a nearby table, or a car parked in the garage.
        Depends more on what is being done, than how, but I'd say Matter (of various ratings) could cover it. And ignore the "must not know what is in the room" restriction.


        Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
        Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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        • #5
          To take the biggest one I can- how would a mage replicate the Utterance that makes meteors rain down over several miles (away from books, don't know the name off hand).

          Also, how can a mage replicate "able to use my powers in a nightclub without the spell decaying and Cuthlhu eating me" haha sick burn.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Urbenmyth View Post
            To take the biggest one I can- how would a mage replicate the Utterance that makes meteors rain down over several miles (away from books, don't know the name off hand).

            Also, how can a mage replicate "able to use my powers in a nightclub without the spell decaying and Cuthlhu eating me" haha sick burn.
            Meteors, sympathetic use of Matter 5.

            Mages can use their powers anywhere no matter how packed with Sleepers if the results of those powers won't be obvious.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Urbenmyth View Post
              To take the biggest one I can- how would a mage replicate the Utterance that makes meteors rain down over several miles (away from books, don't know the name off hand).

              Also, how can a mage replicate "able to use my powers in a nightclub without the spell decaying and Cuthlhu eating me" haha sick burn.
              I'm thinking either some heavy Fate usage (for altering existing trajectories), or some Matter 5 (Making) cast at orbit, and maybe given a Forces shove.

              For the later, just keep the magic use subtle - it doesn't provoke Dissonance if people don't realize magic is going on.


              Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
              Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Urbenmyth View Post
                To take the biggest one I can- how would a mage replicate the Utterance that makes meteors rain down over several miles (away from books, don't know the name off hand).

                Also, how can a mage replicate "able to use my powers in a nightclub without the spell decaying and Cuthlhu eating me" haha sick burn.
                The previous answers work quite nicely, I'll try for a low-powered alternative.

                The "over several miles" part thing is just about scale and range, but meteor strike? I have been wondering what a Fate 3 direct damage spell could look like. And there you go. Meteor strike, Fate 3, 1 bashing damage per Potency, as small meteorites that are falling all the time just happen to fall in the right direction. Generally they burn out in their atmospheric entry, but some sometimes survive, small though they be.

                Alternatively, Fate 3 version of the Forces 3 spell Call Lightning, Call Meteor - same thing, only during a meteor shower, not a storm.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Aeryes View Post
                  The "over several miles" part thing is just about scale and range
                  This is probably one of the bigger limiters, as area of effect doesn't go over 'A campus, or a small neighborhood' in size.

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                  • #10
                    Let's start with the basics.

                    How you would copy the passive powers each splat has?

                    Vampire: Downgrade lethal dmg, has a bite attack that can harm or cause pleasure, addictive and healing blood.
                    Werewolf: Enhanced senses, 5 different forms, can Reach and talk to spirits.
                    Changeling: Can seal Oaths, has a Kith and a Mien(and a Mask to not be detected as inhuman), can enter the Hedge.


                    Check my homebrews:
                    Vampire Bloodlines: Kiasyd
                    Mage Legacies: Infernal Ones, Daoine

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Horodrigo View Post
                      Vampire:
                      1. Downgrade lethal dmg,
                      2. has a bite attack that can harm or cause pleasure,
                      3. addictive and
                      4. healing blood.
                      ​​

                      1. Death Shielding (Death armor already does this)
                      2. Life 3 for the Bite, Mind for the induced emotion/sensation
                      3. Mind for addiction. Maybe Matter to turn saliva into a drug.
                      4. Life 3 for healing.

                      Originally posted by Horodrigo View Post
                      Werewolf: Enhanced senses, 5 different forms, can Reach and talk to spirits.
                      1. Life (maybe Forces)
                      2. Life 3-4
                      3. Spirit Arcana

                      Originally posted by Horodrigo View Post
                      Changeling: Can seal Oaths, has a Kith and a Mien(and a Mask to not be detected as inhuman), can enter the Hedge.
                      1. Fate
                      2. ???
                      3. Mind for mental illusion, maybe Prime (or a mix of the two)
                      4. Fate 5 has been said to make Hedge Gates.
                      Last edited by Vent0; 04-17-2017, 01:02 PM.


                      Malkydel: "And the Machine dictated; let there be adequate illumination."
                      Yossarian: "And lo, it was optimal."

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                      • #12
                        Various levels of life for kith? You could probably replicate the appearence and most kith blessings with some kind of shapeshifiting. Maybe forces or matter for more esoteric ones but it should be doable.

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                        • #13
                          Hehehehe. Impossible Spoor from Werewolf 2nd Edition. I looove that power.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Scarlet Witch View Post
                            Hehehehe. Impossible Spoor from Werewolf 2nd Edition. I looove that power.
                            Let's see. Life 1 for Enhanced Senses with Reach for tracking.
                            Add some Forces for tracking soundwaves and wi-fi signals.
                            Time to ignore the penaltys due to the age of the trail.
                            And, of course, Space, to get Sympathy and find the subject.

                            This can also be done just with Space, but I wanted to use more arcanas for the flavor.


                            Check my homebrews:
                            Vampire Bloodlines: Kiasyd
                            Mage Legacies: Infernal Ones, Daoine

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                            • #15
                              What about a Demonic Bargain? Say, I swap my memories of childhood for wealth and fame. How would a mage replicate that?
                              Last edited by Urbenmyth; 04-17-2017, 02:04 PM.

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