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  • Originally posted by Professor Phobos View Post
    That seems fair enough. Would just swapping the Acanthus to Prime and Magistos to Fate cause any issues, though?
    The most obvious thing that comes to mind is that making the Mastigos the only Path that needs a teacher to be able to render themselves resistant to having their destinies messed with by outside forces (through the Arcanum's Greater Utility Attainment) is directly opposed to your stated reasoning.


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    • Originally posted by Satchel View Post
      The most obvious thing that comes to mind is that making the Mastigos the only Path that needs a teacher to be able to render themselves resistant to having their destinies messed with by outside forces (through the Arcanum's Greater Utility Attainment) is directly opposed to your stated reasoning.
      Hmm, that seems acceptable. I can appreciate the dramatic irony there.
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      • A question that came to me from someone else's recent post:

        How, by RAR, does the local Diamond tend to deal with Nameless orders and vice versa. Are any local Nameless mages with enough numbers just treated like a local diamond order, are nameless order mages allowed to hold concillium positions, sit on the council etc, or do they tend to be treated by the diamond mages as permanent outsiders? Or a third option? Just realized I am not clear on this.

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        • Originally posted by Newes View Post
          How, by RAR, does the local Diamond tend to deal with Nameless orders and vice versa. Are any local Nameless mages with enough numbers just treated like a local diamond order, are nameless order mages allowed to hold concillium positions, sit on the council etc, or do they tend to be treated by the diamond mages as permanent outsiders? Or a third option? Just realized I am not clear on this.
          I think that's the kind of thing that varies by location and exactly what the principles of the Nameless Order are, but I think a general rule of thumb is that a Consilium will see members of the Diamond make a point of shunning this other Order and denying them access to some of the more choice resources and Mysteries, unless they should have something particularly worthwhile to bargain with. It can be possible to agree to abide by the Consilium's laws and offices, in which case one at least gets the benefit of it not being total open season on them by Pentacle mages, but still often be treated with less regard and find it a bit difficult to get some of the choice positions (although I think a Herald could be a good offering to them), just from a case of lacking the usual advocates.

          Free Council Assemblies are way more accommodating (even if you still have to fulfil the usual requirements to become a voting member outside of the Order) and I'd think they'd try to advocate on behalf in a Consilium, but I'd present it that in many cases there's an underlying tension of lowkey pressure from some of the Libertines for these Nameless to join up with them altogether.

          The sample location of Tucson in the core constitutes an exceptional example where Nameless who periodically gather into an ad hoc Order are the majority and have good standing with their direct Pentacle neighbours, but that's an explicitly unusual relationship.

          I think in any case it can be easier to be a member of a Nameless Order part of a cabal that is otherwise Pentacle.


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          • Originally posted by Newes View Post
            A question that came to me from someone else's recent post:

            How, by RAR, does the local Diamond tend to deal with Nameless orders and vice versa. Are any local Nameless mages with enough numbers just treated like a local diamond order, are nameless order mages allowed to hold concillium positions, sit on the council etc, or do they tend to be treated by the diamond mages as permanent outsiders? Or a third option? Just realized I am not clear on this.
            It depends on the era. As long as the Nameless Order does not espouse ideals truly antithetical to the Pentacle, they're likely to be accepted into the Consilium as long as they follow Consilium rules. I imagine that most members of the Diamond would treat such a Nameless Order as basically being part of the Council of Free Assemblies (even if they aren't). It is to the Consilium's benefit to welcome all Mages into the Consilium, so long as they're willing to follow the rules.

            In areas where an Assembly dominates, the Nameless Order would have an even easier time integrating, should they choose to do so.

            That said, my reading of the information we have on the small Nameless Orders that did not integrate into the Free Council post-Great Refusal are that they're cults of personality or otherwise don't mesh with Consilium/Assembly structure.


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            • Originally posted by proindrakenzol View Post
              It is to the Consilium's benefit to welcome all Mages into the Consilium
              I don't know, I think the Diamond Orders at the least have a tendency towards being a bit chauvinistic towards belief systems outside of their dogma and lineage. That's not to say it isn't beneficial, just that it's plausible for characters to prioritize something higher.

              Originally posted by proindrakenzol
              That said, my reading of the information we have on the small Nameless Orders that did not integrate into the Free Council post-Great Refusal are that they're cults of personality or otherwise don't mesh with Consilium/Assembly structure.
              I think some of the big things for not wanting to join with the Free Council are not holding to their perspective on the connection between magic and humanity and not being enthused for war with the Seers.

              That's the payoff for becoming part of an Assembly; everybody gets a vote, but everybody needs to abide by the vote. The Free Council is welcoming, but if they outnumber you and all elect to do something like conduct operations against the Seer tetrarchy, you're expected to participate.

              The Consilium at least is a body that doesn't really impose upon its constituents. Being obligated to get into a fight with a Pylon is more likely there as some kind of punishment for a severe infraction.

              Consilium structure really only amounts to having cordial relations with neighbouring cabals and a body of elders to bring grievances to. Standing (and hence access to certain common resources) is improved by performing voluntary services of benefit to community or council.

              Convocation, on the other hand, is something that I think Nameless Orders are very definitively excluded from. At best I could see some representative being brought along as the guest of another mage when their Order has information significant to a major topic under discussion, but otherwise they have no place or voice there.


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              • Is there a way to track reincarnations of souls throughout history? Assuming of course that is what happens with souls, and they aren’t created and destroyed by birth and death. I know the pilgrimage can make souls, and vampires can run across people who are pretty much the same as people in their past who are dead, so it has some evidence towards reincarnation.
                Is it possible to try and remember past reincarnations past the part where the Psychopomp removes the Awakened structure of the soul, along with any residual memories? I was thinking of a Legacy that (eventually) combined all the past lives (and possibly future lives) into the present.
                I guess if temporal sympathy works on souls that would be one way to find out.


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                • Originally posted by TempleBuilder View Post
                  Is there a way to track reincarnations of souls throughout history? Assuming of course that is what happens with souls, and they aren’t created and destroyed by birth and death. I know the pilgrimage can make souls, and vampires can run across people who are pretty much the same as people in their past who are dead, so it has some evidence towards reincarnation.
                  No, because no one (even the Exarchs) knows whether reincarnation is real, if it were trackable it'd be verifiable.

                  Is it possible to try and remember past reincarnations past the part where the Psychopomp removes the Awakened structure of the soul, along with any residual memories? I was thinking of a Legacy that (eventually) combined all the past lives (and possibly future lives) into the present.
                  I guess if temporal sympathy works on souls that would be one way to find out.
                  Again, there is no evidence that souls reincarnate, it's purely a non-verifiable religious belief.


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                  • What about hypothetical reincarnations, like temporal sympathy to people you have never been?


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                    • Originally posted by TempleBuilder View Post
                      What about hypothetical reincarnations, like temporal sympathy to people you have never been?
                      Sounds like a Mystery!


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                      • Originally posted by proindrakenzol View Post

                        Sounds like a Mystery!
                        If only someone in my game was interested in Time.
                        On that topic, while explaining how Shifting Sands works, one of my players asked me if he channeled mana from a Hallow, then went back in time before it was channeled, should he keep the Mana that he got from the now refilled hallow?


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                        • Originally posted by TempleBuilder View Post
                          On that topic, while explaining how Shifting Sands works, one of my players asked me if he channeled mana from a Hallow, then went back in time before it was channeled, should he keep the Mana that he got from the now refilled hallow?
                          You're going to have to make that call yourself, but the lack of mutual inclusivity of "Spent Mana and Willpower do not return" with "Gained Mana and Willpower are not retained," combined with the fact that the more powerful time-travel spell just has you inhabit your past self and the line generally respects entropy suggests to me that no, he doesn't keep it.


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                          • Originally posted by TempleBuilder View Post
                            What about hypothetical reincarnations, like temporal sympathy to people you have never been?
                            I would make that the tip of the iceberg, the sympathetic ties are to the previous loops of a Kalachakra

                            Then I would make the archmage who created them be Saint Germain (a Time and Space specialist), from European folklore. Then you could borrow some elements from the character from the Castlevania animation, making him be unknowingly mentored by an ochemata of the Psychopomp, probably to become the Quintessence to something bone chilling. His Omens would be based on Saint Germain from Unknown Armies, embodying the archetype of The First and Last Human.

                            Lastly, make his chantry be the Vault of Glass from Destiny and his Supernal Omen to connect it to the lost Wending known as the Infinite Corridor. Now he can be anywhere and anywhen history is being made. The Kalachakra are his cat's paws and the Eternal Soul Sentinels are the Psychopomp's.

                            With that basis, you can build a web of intrigue that echoes throughout history. That should be a cool incentive for them to learn Time. There are enough plot hooks for them to examine things with other Arcana, but depending on the convenient ally or mentor that knows it will really make them miss it when they are unavailable.
                            Last edited by KaiserAfini; 06-29-2021, 07:05 PM.


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                            • Originally posted by proindrakenzol View Post

                              No, because no one (even the Exarchs) knows whether reincarnation is real
                              What are you basing the idea that the Exarchs don't know on?

                              I think both yourself and TempleBuilder are asking the question too much in terms of absolutes. Is there a way to track reincarnating souls? The Guardians of the Veil are certainly looking for one. Their information so far might be regarded as promising, but far from conclusive.

                              That can be slotted in with things such as the belief of the House of Ariadne in city gods and the foundation of the existence of the Diamond itself. Verification is the Obsession of many mages, and one they don't quite get a satisfying conclusion on.

                              I expect it's the kind of Obsession most likely to lead Guardians to archmastery (and the kind where not all become Exemplars), although while that perspective provides a lot more info to go on they often decide that only Ascension will bring the full answers they seek.


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                              • So with the nature of Reach for Artifacts, does that mean a lot of the time it's necessary to use them for ritual casting if you want to use something like Advanced Duration?


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