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  • Can an Awakening be predicted with magic?

    What the title said. Is it possible with any combination of Arcana, Attainments or other supernatural abilities? If not, why not?

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    Short answer yes, but not with a 100% accuracy rating because the future is mutable.

    It’d only take Time, Divination if you’re just asking, Prophecy if you’re trying to engineer it. Fate would also work for the latter method. Probably still tends to turn out Banishers more often than not.
    Last edited by Mrmdubois; 12-29-2017, 02:01 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mrmdubois View Post
      Short answer yes, but not with a 100% accuracy rating because the future is mutable.

      It’d only take Time, Divination if you’re just asking, Prophecy if you’re trying to engineer it. Fate would also work for the latter method. Probably still tends to turn out Banishers more often than not.
      Thanks a lot!

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      • #4
        The Gaurdians specialize in using their Labyrinth to find people who might Awaken by the way, they probably use magic, but they seem to be just as good at mundanely noticing the patterns that people who are likely to Awaken soon end up following.

        SOS is also supposed to have a section dealing with Mages who go out of their way to interfere with Awakenings which implies they’re possible to detect.

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        • #5
          They're possible to detect when in progress, but not predict - Time magic to look into someone's future shows them as a Sleeper or Sleepwalker until they Awaken, at which point their future changes to be a mage. The reasons are metaphysical and imply something about what an Awakening is that the Orders chew over.

          You can look for the sort of people who might Awaken, though, and that's where the Awakening-spotters in the Orders operate.


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          • #6
            I stand corrected.

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            • #7
              In my campaign, I wrote in a Guardian who specialized in finding those who have already Awakened, but instead of being a candidate, or in a Labyrinth/Cryptopolis/what-have-you, they were completely alone. She would use a combination of Fate and Prime to find them; Prime to discern, amd Fate to reach them just in time to introduce them to the Pentacle.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dave Brookshaw View Post
                They're possible to detect when in progress, but not predict - Time magic to look into someone's future shows them as a Sleeper or Sleepwalker until they Awaken, at which point their future changes to be a mage. The reasons are metaphysical and imply something about what an Awakening is that the Orders chew over.

                You can look for the sort of people who might Awaken, though, and that's where the Awakening-spotters in the Orders operate.
                ​So can Fate be used to arrange to be present during the Awakening of a random stranger?
                ​This quote makes it sound like Awakenings are enough of a break off from Fallen World reality that they are hidden from Fate and Time until after they branch.

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                • #9
                  No, because they're enough of a break from Fallen reality that they're hidden from... What you just said.


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                  • #10
                    It makes me wonder, is it possible to predict with Time or Fate (or other Arcana) on archmastery levels?


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tessie View Post
                      It makes me wonder, is it possible to predict with Time or Fate (or other Arcana) on archmastery levels?
                      Well, Prime 7 (Practice of Entities) can Awaken someone, although it draws the attention of the Exarchs and usually creates a Banisher.

                      I suppose a similar argument could be made for at least Fate. Engineer events that cause the person to Awaken (or at least start the process). Most of what archmages can do is up to the Storyteller anyway.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dave Brookshaw View Post
                        They're possible to detect when in progress, but not predict - Time magic to look into someone's future shows them as a Sleeper or Sleepwalker until they Awaken, at which point their future changes to be a mage. The reasons are metaphysical and imply something about what an Awakening is that the Orders chew over.
                        A good Obsession for a Time mage would be closely reading the future to see which mundane Sleepers keep inexplicably showing up at future magical events. I'm picturing an NPC who's exhaustively charted the life and works of an anonymous person who hasn't yet Awakened, but is inferred to exist from future historical context.

                        e: a happy accident here is that Awakened history becomes harder to reliably predict because divination can't account for everyone who will be involved. Imagine a Seer steepling his fingers and warning her underlings that "things are not proceeding as i have foreseen" because your newly-Awakened PCs are throwing wrenches into prophecies years in the making.
                        Last edited by Caladriu; 01-02-2018, 08:11 PM.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dave Brookshaw View Post
                          They're possible to detect when in progress, but not predict - Time magic to look into someone's future shows them as a Sleeper or Sleepwalker until they Awaken, at which point their future changes to be a mage. The reasons are metaphysical and imply something about what an Awakening is that the Orders chew over.

                          You can look for the sort of people who might Awaken, though, and that's where the Awakening-spotters in the Orders operate.
                          So if you would actually work to map out the future of a sleeper who will eventually awaken, you would see them leading a normal sleeper life, and then when they awaken that future you saw is suddenly obsolete and replaced with their new future as an Awakened?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aristarkos View Post

                            So if you would actually work to map out the future of a sleeper who will eventually awaken, you would see them leading a normal sleeper life, and then when they awaken that future you saw is suddenly obsolete and replaced with their new future as an Awakened?
                            Pretty much.

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                            • #15
                              So is almost as if (or just is) that awakenings also cause Aponeia, as happens with archmasters though to a much lesser degree since it seems it only affects your potential future not your past retroactively.
                              Last edited by Thorbes; 01-09-2018, 06:10 PM.


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