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    across the universe! Or at least between the planets. It's not hard these days to get high quality reasonably recent photos of the planets, especially the surfaces of the Moon and of Mars. These are valid sympathetic Yantras, according to page 122. So, my question is how, without Space 5, one might establish a sympathetic link to the planet?

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    By having a sample.

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      That works for the Moon, I happen to know there are several touchable Moon rocks on Earth. But as far as I know, there are no samples of Martian material on earth.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LadyLens View Post
        That works for the Moon, I happen to know there are several touchable Moon rocks on Earth. But as far as I know, there are no samples of Martian material on earth.
        You have handily grasped the reason most contemporary Mage games do not engage in extraterrestrial travel without a plot device.


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        • #5
          Around 120 pieces of known martian rocks exists on the Earth. Results of meteorites hitting Mars with such force that some martian debris reach escape velocity, and some of that debris has managed to hit the Earth.
          These samples might've lost Sympathy to their original place (if they had any, considering that Sympathy seems to be built on top of meaningful interactions) but Web-Weaver cast with Temporal Sympathy (with a photo of Mars being a good Yantra) could remedy that regardless of its original Sympathetic Connections.


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            I'm not sure how Web-Weaver would help in restoring the lost sympathy. Neither would Space 5 be too helpful, since targetting a Planet likely goes way beyond any scale factor you can manage. (Maybe with some good equipment and some forces you can get enough resolution to target a neighborhood sized area on the surface of a planet though? Maybe.)


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            • #7
              What about doing this the other way around, meeting an engineer from NASA and copying their Sympathy to a Mars rover?


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Flinty View Post
                I'm not sure how Web-Weaver would help in restoring the lost sympathy. Neither would Space 5 be too helpful, since targetting a Planet likely goes way beyond any scale factor you can manage. (Maybe with some good equipment and some forces you can get enough resolution to target a neighborhood sized area on the surface of a planet though? Maybe.)
                Web-Weaver in conjunction with Time can reach back as far as the bit of rock being part of Mars and bring that connection strength up on the Mars rock. Also, you don’t need to target the entire planet, Space magic for teleportation never does.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Teatime View Post
                  What about doing this the other way around, meeting an engineer from NASA and copying their Sympathy to a Mars rover?
                  That's an interesting thought. I like it. And the Temporal Sympathy application for working with a Martian meteorite is also very nifty. BTW: neither would actually target "Mars," but "the particular bit of the Martian surface whence came this rock" or "the current location of the rover the engineer worked on."

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                  • #10
                    If you use the Mars rock method and are particularly lucky you may also find bits of the meteorite when you get to Mars and may be able to repeat the Temporal Web-Weaver trick to reach other places off planet.

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                    • #11
                      Fire a projectile you have sympathy to, at whatever you want to get to, with a conditional duration Temporal Pocket on it, which will end when it reaches its target. Possibly with Forces course-correction.

                      You will instantaneously (bar something being in the way/stopping it) have an item, on whatever you want to get to, that you have a Sympathetic Connection to.

                      Then proceed to Co-Locate your way between planets/meteors/moon-bases/etc.

                      All at the bargain price of Time 5, and Space 3.

                      *edit*
                      Or if you want to do it the hard/weird way, find someone/something which has a real connection to whatever you want to get to, steal their link, and use that to jump there. It's possible the representations of the planets in the Axis Mundai have a sympathetic connection to their meat-space equivalents.

                      Alternatively, perhaps the light from distant stars is 'real-time' enough to count as if not Sensory Range, but Remote Casting?
                      Last edited by HerbertIsBestBert; 09-13-2018, 12:53 AM. Reason: Additional options more fitting to the original question

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                      • #12
                        What about building a "starship"?
                        With force and time magic you could reach mars very rapidly

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Neos01 View Post
                          What about building a "starship"?
                          With force and time magic you could reach mars very rapidly
                          A Starship would require a lot of interlocking Arcana.

                          Propulsion: Forces, with assists from Space and Time.
                          Life-Support: Matter (for air), Forces (for radiation shielding, generating gravity, generating heat, getting rid of heat), Life (for food). Or, oddly, Death (don't need air, food, or heat when your body is playing dead).
                          Navigation: Probably Fate at the speeds you are going to want to go.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Vent0 View Post

                            A Starship would require a lot of interlocking Arcana.

                            Propulsion: Forces, with assists from Space and Time.
                            Life-Support: Matter (for air), Forces (for radiation shielding, generating gravity, generating heat, getting rid of heat), Life (for food). Or, oddly, Death (don't need air, food, or heat when your body is playing dead).
                            Navigation: Probably Fate at the speeds you are going to want to go.
                            Take a vehicle, a van maybe( a mobile demesne if you think it s possible), and shield it with a force field.
                            Send it flying in the space, after you leave earth there is no attriction, so every telekinetical push you apply stacks, eventually you reach near light speed.
                            A trip of fifteen minutes, less with time acceleration.
                            Of course you will need some sort of navigation system but that s another problem.....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Neos01 View Post

                              Take a vehicle, a van maybe( a mobile demesne if you think it s possible), and shield it with a force field.
                              Send it flying in the space, after you leave earth there is no attriction, so every telekinetical push you apply stacks, eventually you reach near light speed.
                              A trip of fifteen minutes, less with time acceleration.
                              Of course you will need some sort of navigation system but that s another problem.....
                              Enjoy relativistic effects on your body and how slow light really is. And your van running out of breathable air.

                              Better to use a Co-Located Drone ship.


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