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  • #31
    Originally posted by Mrmdubois View Post
    The Underworld isn’t a Lower Depth as it’s tied directly to an arcana. It has been damaged or distorted though, and it’s suffused with a type of energy which ghosts share with it regardless of whether they’ve ever been there or not.
    Not that the Underworld is a Lower Depth, but it's worth remembering that a Lower Depth is a place that is utterly lacking in an aspect of reality, not just one of the Arcana. The place Strix come from lacks Vitae, Duat lacks Sekhem, Denny's lacks supernatural presence, etc.


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    • #32
      As Arcane said, has nothing to do with Arcana (and even if it did there would be 9 other Arcana that could be lacking). Regardless, the theory is that it was a Lower Depth that has latched on, not that it still is one.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tessie View Post
        Other Geists are created either through drinking from a River, or as a Guardian Geist at the creation of an Avernian Gate, both events being extremely tied to the Underworld. It makes sense for them to have these Underworld-related effects.
        There's also the more prosaic "be a powerful necromancer and die," but there's a very basic assumption that merits addressing here:

        You can have Rank 3+ ghosts that aren't geists or Reaper-forms. They're often the result of aberrant circumstances and they still won't usually be able to increase their Rank without drinking from a River unless they're a specific exception, but nothing about "Doppelgangers can theoretically reach a Rank above 2 without drinking from the Rivers" implies "Doppelgangers who reach Rank 3 become geists" besides an overly narrow reading of the Ghostly Rank breakdown.


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        • #34
          Originally posted by Tessie View Post
          As Arcane said, has nothing to do with Arcana (and even if it did there would be 9 other Arcana that could be lacking). Regardless, the theory is that it was a Lower Depth that has latched on, not that it still is one.
          Arcane wasn't backing you up as much as defining what a Lower Depth is. You'd have to figure out what exactly the Underworld is missing before you could define it as a Lower Depth, and the fact that it does tie to one of the arcana very strongly implies that it's more than just a Lower Depth even if it's function then/now is largely consumptive.

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