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  • proindrakenzol
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    [2e Legacy Update] Clavicularius

    One of the players in my Mage game is a former Lucifuge Occultist cum Mastigos and has expressed great interest in the Clavicularius legacy. With that in mind I have tried my hand at updating it. Per the 2e core book the Legacy is now a Spirit primary Legacy, I assumed Mind was the secondary but feel confident in that assumption.

    Because the Clavicularius claim to utilize the magical traditions of King Solomon and the 1e legacy write-up mentions them learning Hebrew I gave the attainments Hebrew names. That said, while I can "read" Hebrew I don't actually speak it or understand it beyond a few words, if any of my translations or transliterations are incorrect or awkward (e.g. the word I used for "Interaction" is a different kind of interaction than I thought) please let me know.

    I have not replicated the information from the 1e write-up, if the mods approve it I can copy-paste some of the info from the book, but the book is still being sold, so /shrug.

    Because the Legacy is primarily a Goetia-focused Legacy I chose Spirit attainments that had Mind conjunctional options and required the appropriate rank of Mind in order to gain the attainment. The "exception" was the fourth attainment, creating a Fetish doesn't normally have a Mind option or the ability to affect goetia so I added it for consistency.

    And the first "optional" is indeed mandatory. Congratulations, you can never escape knowing everyone's best and worst urges, have fun.


    All information not listed can be found in Legacies: the Sublime starting on page 13.
    Prerequisites: Spirit 2, Mind 1, Language (Hebrew), Occult 2, an occult specialization in goetic rituals, and one of the following skills at one dot or higher: Academics, Empathy, Persuasion, or Subterfuge.

    Ruling Arcanum: Spirit
    Yantras: Keys (+1), clothing of leaders (+1), summoning circles (+1 or +2 if made of exotic/expensive components), chanting the secret names of the demons (+2, cannot be used reflexively).
    Oblations: as described in Legacies the Sublime.

    First: תפיסה, Tefysah (Perception)
    Prerequisite: Initiation.
    The secret denizens of the world are laid bare to the eye of the Solomonist, by performing an hour long ritual they gain the ability to see and speak to spirits and goetia in the material world regardless of manifestation condition, including those possessed. The conduit of a spirit reaching across the Gauntlet or a goetia reaching out of the Astral can be detected, but this attainment grants no ability to interact with the entity. This merit functions as Exorcist’s Eye with reach assigned to advanced duration and the Mind 1 conjunctional effect.
    Mandatory:
    Their obsession with Vice and perfection means that, with but a glance, the Key-Bearer also learns the Virtue and Vice of anyone they view. This attainment functions as the spell Know Nature but only provides Virtue and Vice, is reflexive, and cannot be turned off.

    Second: הזמנה, Hatzmenah (Invitation)
    Prerequisite:
    Occult 3.
    The Solomonist is master of the gates, allowing or denying entry to our world. With an hour long ritual they can change the Resonant Condition on a subject to the Open Condition or vice versa; this lasts for the Key-Bearer’s Spirit dots on the Advanced Duration table. This spell replicates the effects of Opener of the Way with reach assigned to Advanced Duration.
    Optional: Mind 2.
    The Solomonist can nudge the emotions of others to open or close one of their Doors in a social situation. This spell functions as Emotional Urging with reach assigned to instant casting.

    Third: גומלין, Gomlin (Interaction)
    Prerequisite
    : Spirit 3, Mind 2, Occult 3 and the other skill used to qualify at 2 dots or another qualifying skill at 1 dot.
    At this level of understanding the Solomonist can now fully interact with both spirits and goetia, as can anything they are holding (bullets and other projectiles maintain this benefit long enough to strike their targets, but no longer). The attainment is activated during the same ritual as the first attainment, effectively adding “touch” to the “sight and sound” of the first attainment. This attainment replicates Gossamer Touch with the optional ability to affect goetia and reach assigned to advanced duration and allowing equipment to be affected.
    Optional: Mind 3.
    The mind of a trained Solomonist is a bastion against outside influence; any goetia’s numina, influences, or manifestations; any Mind spells; and any other supernatural creature’s mind-affecting abilities provoke a Clash of Wills. Further, if the Key-Bearer is presented with their Vice they can instead roll a Gnosis + Mind vs their own Resolve + Composure, if they succeed they regain a point of Willpower without having to indulge their vice, if they fail they instead must indulge their Vice and do not regain a point of Willpower. This attainment is activated by an hour long ritual and the shielding portion functions as the spell Mental Shield with reach assigned to advanced duration.

    Fourth: ציווי, Tzivui (Commanding)
    Prerequisite: Spirit 4, Mind 3, Occult 4, and the other requirements of the previous attainment.
    By invoking secret names and treating with spirits and goetia, the Solomonist can place some of those entities’ powers in objects. Only weaker entities can be forced with this attainment, but more powerful entities can be bargained with so that they do not apply their Withstand. This attainment functions as the spell Craft Fetish with the ability to also affect goetia and with reach assigned to Advanced Duration.
    Optional: Mind 4.
    The Solomonist that has achieved this level of power can manifest materialized goetia from their own Oneiros. These goetia are not mystically bound to the Key-Bearer, but do start with a Perfect impression towards their originator and will go to extreme lengths to protect them (the goetia realize their existence hinges on that of the Mage). While similar to the spell Goetic Summons with the Spirit 2 option to grant the materialized condition and reach assigned to advanced duration and allowing summoning from within the Mage’s own mind, this attainment only allows goetia summoned from within the Mage’s own mind and does not require a way of meditating into the Astral to do so.

    Fifth: עקידה, Akaydah (Binding)
    Prerequisite: Spirit 5, Mind 4. In addition to the Occult 4 requirement from the previous attainment, the Key-Bearer must increase the other Skill used to meet the requirements of the Legacy to three, or must attain two dots in a second skill from the list of possible requirements, or one dot in a third skill from that list.
    The Solomonist speaks and spirits and goetia listen, compelled to obey and carry out their assigned task. This attainment functions as the spell Bind Spirit with the ability to also affect goetia and reach assigned to instant casting and advanced duration.
    Optional: Mind 5.
    With an occult ritual the Solomonist can excise a subject’s Virtue or Vice in order to compel certain behaviors. While their Virtue is removed the subject is more prone to Vice, and regains two Willpower instead of one when so indulging (or resisting, if under the effects of the optional third attainment). Sans Vice the subject instead acts wholly in accordance with their Virtue, and cannot willingly engage in activities that would constitute a Breaking Point or Act of Hubris. This attainment functions as the spell Amorality with reach assigned to advanced duration.


    [edit]I'm pretty sure interaction is just the Hebrew transliteration of interaction, so I'd really like a better word for that one.

    [edit2]Going with @LostLight's suggestion of גומלין.

    [edit3]Changed the fourth attainment to ציווי.
    Last edited by proindrakenzol; 10-18-2019, 01:57 AM.

  • KaiserAfini
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    My bad, I thought you wanted an idea for Exorcist's Eye as well as the two ritual Attainments.

    The Mind thing is a leftover idea from wanting to make goetic talens but not being sure how (probably with conjunctional Spirit 4). The idea is that a talen is a very simple thing for a spirit to make. If you have its cooperation you could perform a talen creation rite as the Attainment rather than tear the power from them with Weaving (or perhaps Fraying). But yeah, its not simple enough that an instant action could cover it.

    An ephemeral being wouldn't be too happy after being forcibly bound to a fetish. Similarly, the negotiations for it to willingly go into one would be demanding. A talen seemed like a tithe the Key Bearers could reasonably ask for or negotiate towards, a complimentary option.

    It could reinforce the idea of them ruling over these spirit (ruling over rampant emotions), but that is probably more of what the Lords of the Inanimate do. The significant object summoning is, as you mentioned, more resonant with the Uncrowned Kings.
    Last edited by KaiserAfini; 10-28-2019, 08:14 PM.

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  • proindrakenzol
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    Originally posted by Tessie View Post

    Dot rating of Talen equal to Potency, and Potency equal to Mind dots?
    I understand the mechanical implication.

    What I don't understand are why he's suggesting a spell that would be purely Spirit for the Mind 2 optional when: 1) that's not one of the ones I asked for suggestions on (it was part of the 1e legacy so it stays) and 2) the attainment itself is wholly a Spirit ability, with no Mind component.

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  • Tessie
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    Originally posted by proindrakenzol View Post
    (I don't know why you have Mind as the scale of power)
    Dot rating of Talen equal to Potency, and Potency equal to Mind dots?

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  • proindrakenzol
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    Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post
    Here are my current ideas for those Attainments

    Mind 2

    A variation of Command Spirit that allows the mage to force a spirit to create a talen of up to [Mind] dots. If the target is willing or has subordinated themselves to the Key Bearer's authority, then their Withstand can be bypassed.

    I wish this could be used with goetia too but it would either need more Arcana or an appropriate restriction. Reach is assigned to instant use and sensory range.

    This Attainment is a nod to the giant worm that was given to Solomon to dig out his temple and transform the stones.
    Creating a fetish is already the fourth attainment, and creating a talen would require the same dot level (and for Mage purposes is, imo, the same spell) three dots in Spirit (I don't know why you have Mind as the scale of power) similar to the single use items craftable with Prime.

    Spirit 3

    This is a weird idea and also requires Mind 3. The mage summons a mundane object that had emotional significance to them from their memories, they then shape spiritual Essence into its form and make it affect both spirit and goetia, but it does not make it visible. So a birdwatcher could make a gesture focusing his binoculars and they would be effectively there, a surgeon would have his scalpel, a fencer his rapier, a policeman his gun and a handyman his tools. This makes them look very eerie to anyone without the appropriate sights (or frightening if they are within the Realms Invisible where all this becomes evident), their mental discipline manifesting tangible effects.

    However, the mage can also summon objects from any one of his memories if he convinces the goetia who oversees it to help. This gives them an incentive to constantly explore their Oneiros.

    The Attainment has Reach assigned to instant cast, allows them to summon an item up to size 5 and it auto renews only while it remains in contact with the mage.
    I think this would be great for a legacy like Uncrowned Kings, but seems radically off theme for the Clavicularius.
    Last edited by proindrakenzol; 10-24-2019, 05:58 PM.

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  • KaiserAfini
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    Here are my current ideas for those Attainments

    Mind 2

    A variation of Command Spirit that allows the mage to force a spirit to create a talen of up to [Mind] dots. If the target is willing or has subordinated themselves to the Key Bearer's authority, then their Withstand can be bypassed.

    I wish this could be used with goetia too but it would either need more Arcana or an appropriate restriction. Reach is assigned to instant use and sensory range.

    This Attainment is a nod to the giant worm that was given to Solomon to dig out his temple and transform the stones.

    Spirit 3

    This is a weird idea and also requires Mind 3. The mage summons a mundane object that had emotional significance to them from their memories, they then shape spiritual Essence into its form and make it affect both spirit and goetia, but it does not make it visible. So a birdwatcher could make a gesture focusing his binoculars and they would be effectively there, a surgeon would have his scalpel, a fencer his rapier, a policeman his gun and a handyman his tools. This makes them look very eerie to anyone without the appropriate sights (or frightening if they are within the Realms Invisible where all this becomes evident), their mental discipline manifesting tangible effects.

    However, the mage can also summon objects from any one of his memories if he convinces the goetia who oversees it to help. This gives them an incentive to constantly explore their Oneiros.

    The Attainment has Reach assigned to instant cast, allows them to summon an item up to size 5 and it auto renews only while it remains in contact with the mage.
    Last edited by KaiserAfini; 10-24-2019, 04:37 PM.

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  • proindrakenzol
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    Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post
    That is a very cool 2ed conversion, the fourth Mind Attainment is especially interesting.
    Thanks!

    For the fourth Mind Attainment I initially had it function exactly like the spell with the appropriate reach options (could call any goetia, required a place to meditate into the Astral to call goetia from the Oneiros) but decided that restricting it to only your own goetia and removing the requirement to be able to meditated into the Astral was much more thematic.

    But I wonder if the constant Know Nature doesn't make them ping the Peripheral Sight so often that discretion becomes very difficult.
    I honestly didn't think about that. In my mind it's a "passive" effect and so wouldn't ping Peripheral Sight, but it might be interesting if it did, maybe give the option to suppress the ability for a scene with a point of Willpower?

    It also makes me wish they had full Mental Scan so they would have a chance to go terribly crazy or incredibly sane from the constant insights into people's hearts, a bit like Hao Asakura in the manga.
    My problem with Mental Scan (and pretty much all low level attainments that are Withstood) is that I want Legacy Attainments to be useful with only the minimum requirements and Mental Scan at one dot in Mind is a whiff 100% of the time. The only reason I have Emotional Urging as an Attainment is because it was in the 1e write-up.

    I see a bit of overlap with the Mind's Eye Attainment, perhaps they could have a waiver on the mana cost for interacting with goetia for a scene. The ritual is how they reap greater benefits and extend them to their allies. But if they need a quick and dirty way to deal with an Astral being, they would be up to the task.
    The benefits to the Exorcist's Eye as a Legacy Attainment is that it's always on, allows you to see conduits, and doesn't require the use of Active Mage Sight (which has penalties associated with it and can only be used for a minute without the expenditure of a point of Willpower).

    The third Legacy Attainment grants the interaction ability while also extending the effect to equipment without the expenditure of mana.

    If you had other ideas for those two attainments I'd be happy to hear them.

    Overall, this is a pretty nice take on the Legacy.
    Thank you!
    Last edited by proindrakenzol; 05-05-2021, 07:42 PM.

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  • KaiserAfini
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    That is a very cool 2ed conversion, the fourth Mind Attainment is especially interesting. But I wonder if the constant Know Nature doesn't make them ping the Peripheral Sight so often that discretion becomes very difficult. It also makes me wish they had full Mental Scan so they would have a chance to go terribly crazy or incredibly sane from the constant insights into people's hearts, a bit like Hao Asakura in the manga.

    I see a bit of overlap with the Mind's Eye Attainment, perhaps they could have a waiver on the mana cost for interacting with goetia for a scene. The ritual is how they reap greater benefits and extend them to their allies. But if they need a quick and dirty way to deal with an Astral being, they would be up to the task.

    Overall, this is a pretty nice take on the Legacy.
    Last edited by KaiserAfini; 10-24-2019, 10:14 AM.

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  • proindrakenzol
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    Originally posted by LostLight View Post
    No, that means "he commanded"- it should be ציווי

    If you wish to keep discussing the best word, perhaps we should move to PMs? I feel bad for derailing this thread into "all possible ways to use "command" in Hebrew" :P
    I think that should do it, actually, "tzivui" is fine aesthetically.

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  • LostLight
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    No, that means "he commanded"- it should be ציווי

    If you wish to keep discussing the best word, perhaps we should move to PMs? I feel bad for derailing this thread into "all possible ways to use "command" in Hebrew" :P

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  • proindrakenzol
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    Originally posted by LostLight View Post
    That would be Tzivui. Yeah, it is short and may not look nice, but that's the word.
    ציווה?

    /10char

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  • LostLight
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    That would be Tzivui. Yeah, it is short and may not look nice, but that's the word.

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  • proindrakenzol
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    Originally posted by LostLight View Post
    Lol- well, just say which word in English you want to use, and I'll tell you the Hebrew translation. The easiest path, I think :P
    "Commanding" is the word I think best fits.

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  • LostLight
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    Lol- well, just say which word in English you want to use, and I'll tell you the Hebrew translation. The easiest path, I think :P

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  • proindrakenzol
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    Originally posted by LostLight View Post
    Indeed

    EDIT: unless you talked about Mitzuveh and Mitzvah. I thought you meant the same word. Mitzah is "commandment". Perhaps you meant Metzuveh? That would mean "being commanded". Passive verb, more or less.
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I don't know enough to answer that.

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