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  • Eldagusto
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    Originally posted by hangedman1984 View Post
    So I had an idea partially inspired by the Supernal Arcadia/Changeling Arcadia divide. Each of the five known Supernal Realms has a fallen reflection. The fallen reflection of Stygia is the Underworld. The fallen reflection of the Primal Wild is the Hisil/Shadow. The fallen reflection of Pandemonium is the Lower Depths. The fallen reflection of (Supernal) Arcadia is the Arcadia of Changeling/the Hedge obviously.

    The main sticking point is the Aether. I considered the Astral as the Aether's fallen reflection. But if that was the case it seems kinda odd that the path with the easiest access to the Astral (Mastigos) would be different then the path associated with the Aether (Obrimos), and am currently just thinking of the Astral as the "road" (or perhaps...ladder?) to the Supernal (or at least was until the Abyss). That the Lower Depths are often considered to be as separated from the Fallen World as the Fallen World is separated from the Supernal is also a bit of a flaw in the theory, but if I'm ST-ing I can pretty easily wave that bit away.
    Hangman you are in a new profile?!

    But I think Pandemonium has another reflection maybe, because as mentioned Lower Depths is outside the Fallen World. They probably belong more with the Mythological Hells. I mean do the Demons of the Lucifuge variety come from the Lower Depths or is their a more classical Hell?

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  • Eldagusto
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    Originally posted by thenate View Post


    I always assumed that was the supernal, itself, but unadulterated or filtered.
    I believe its the Empyrean, which may be beyond the Supernal. Maybe I don't know. Kind of the opposite of the Lower Depths.

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  • Toine
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    I think the material world would be the fallen reflektion of the aether. The material world is governed by physical laws much like the divine machine of the aether.

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  • Mrmdubois
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    Originally posted by Logothétēs View Post
    Couldn't the Aether's shadow in the Fallen World be wherever the Qashmallim and Pyros come from?
    It could, but eh, that kind of answer is why Magesplaining is a thing, and the Supernal World is right there.

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  • thenate
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    Originally posted by Logothétēs View Post
    Couldn't the Aether's shadow in the Fallen World be wherever the Qashmallim and Pyros come from?

    I always assumed that was the supernal, itself, but unadulterated or filtered.

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  • Logothétēs
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    Couldn't the Aether's shadow in the Fallen World be wherever the Qashmallim and Pyros come from?

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  • Mrmdubois
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    The Astral goes to Pandemonium as it matches with their themes of goetia and interconnections of existence, and the Supernal World goes to the Aether. Remember that the Supernal World is what goes under the purview of Prime, and is the way in which Mages see the Supernal in the Fallen, rather than the pure Supernal itself. Mages only experience the Supernal during their Awakening, for many of them it's the single most potent magical experience they'll ever have, and it's a fleeting moment at that, just like how Mages can only experience the Supernal World fleetingly in moments of using their Mage Sight.

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