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    So I have recently re-read Signs of Sorcery, and it came to me that I don't think I have seen some in depth discussion about how to represent the lesser Seer Ministries which are claimed to serve the Iron Seals. I mean, we all know about Panopticon (as the ever watching surveillance Ministry), Paternoster (which manipulates religion and dogma in order to hide the truth), Praetorian (which advance violence and war) and Hegemonic (which rules through national identities which crush the individuals), and we were later introduced with Mammon (who uses money to rule the world), Horologion (which traps people in predestined clockwork life), Geryon (which ruled through fear from unknown threats) and of course the Gate (which tries to find balance between the truth and the Abyss), we still have a number of Ministries which are yet to examine, of which we only know their name and which Exarch they serve- which, considering the flowery names of those Ministries, is not much.

    But it can be enough.

    The Dolusian for example- "dolus" means "deception with evil intent". Where Paternoster turns to religion to control the masses, a Ministry with that name makes me think about a more modern incarnation: perhaps something focused around spreading "fake news" or tilted scientific researches. Instead of giving a rigid dogma which offers people a false truth, the Dolusian bring chaos by spreading misinformation and making people to question their own truth.

    The Phemian Ministry of the Eye, however, is much less obvious- it seems to relate to "speech", so perhaps instead of watching for secrets, the Phemian anonymously spreads secrets about people? Or maybe it threats people through their secrets? It must have the themes of "speech" or "voice", as well as secrets, but I am really not sure how..

    The Herodian is actually another easy one. As its name is probably a reference to King Herod, my first though was about his role as the "builder king", yet making monuments is not exactly the General's shtick. Then I remembered that story about him commanding the Massacre of the Innocents, which makes a lot more of sense for the General, as a Ministry which supports collateral damage and death of many innocents in the name of hiding the truth/ fulfilling the porpuse.

    Last among the Archigenitors, the Logothete takes its name from administrative position in the Byzantium Empire- so perhaps something in the style of propaganda control and spreading? Or perhaps where the Hegemonic is about nationalism, the Logothete and its "hierarchical mechanism" would represent communism? After all, "perfect equality", the lack of individualism and toil in the name of ideals turned corrupted is very Unity in themes, and works with the name of the Ministry IMO.

    Now, Pantechnicon was mentioned before, so we know what it is about- corrupting technology and using tech in order to control the masses. So yeah, the Free Council's worst enemy and such.

    As for the Orphean- I must admit I was surprised to see it for the Nemesis and not the Psychopomp. Orphean is probably going to take a form of a mystery cult even more than the usual Ministry, perhaps manipulation through cults? Using the mysteries and the occult in order to draw people to the unknown, and making them fear it? Or perhaps giving people fake tools and ceremonies to make them more vulnerable against the spirit world? Yeah, there are a lot of ways to roll with it.

    The Rhadamantian Ministry is the only example Ministry to serve the Psychopomp. Considering that they are called after one of the Judges of the Dead in Greek Culture and the role of the Psychopomp at allowing only "rare few" to go the the afterlife, I can see them as either taking over the law system in order to corrupt it and send innocents to jail or something of that style, or maybe they would have a bigger focus around death and actually "judge the guilty" by murdering those who they see as unworthy to the truth. I think I like the first concept better, as it fits the Seers in spreading lack of faith of the public in their own law system, and corrupt justice in the name of the Psychopomp. You are all guilty until proven otherwise kind of thing.

    Now, the Peirasmon Ministry of the Ruin is also something really interesting- instead of drawing people towards the inevitable, their name hints that they actually try to lure people to bring their own doom. They are the devil in the crossroads, which gives people the means for their own destruction, whispering that desires are tools for doom and as such deny people of what they truly desire. Kinda fits my vision of the Ruin as a semi satanistic Exarch among the Seer religion.

    Finally, the weirdest Ministry is the Kyrian. Worshiping both the Prophet and the Ruin, their name seems to mean "My Lord" or something in that style, which, according to Wikipedia, relates to a number of prayers in Christianity- like "Lord, have mercy". The concept of a cruel god which dictates your fate and sends you to oblivion is a good syncretic form of those two Exarchs. Perhaps a Ministry which leads people to destroy their own lives in attempts to gain the mercy of an higher power? Like how people would sell their house and family just to cover their debt, giving anything out of desperate hope it would bring them salvation? Could easily be connected to the criminal underworld, IMO- or to the banking system, becoming a rival to Mammon.

    Well, that's what I have for those Ministries- any thoughts/suggestions about the subject?


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  • #2
    Thank you for doing the legwork for the Lesser Ministry naming conventions. This will be invaluable for my future Mage projects. 😁

    The only meaningful observation I made though was that for the Orphean Ministry, Orpheous was a legendary musician demigod so maybe the Ministry uses media, art, and entertainment to feed certain parts of the Shadow and starve others by influencing which resonance is going where? An idea I did also toy around with once for a custom Lesser Ministry of the Nemesis.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Dusksage View Post
      Thank you for doing the legwork for the Lesser Ministry naming conventions. This will be invaluable for my future Mage projects. 😁

      The only meaningful observation I made though was that for the Orphean Ministry, Orpheous was a legendary musician demigod so maybe the Ministry uses media, art, and entertainment to feed certain parts of the Shadow and starve others by influencing which resonance is going where? An idea I did also toy around with once for a custom Lesser Ministry of the Nemesis.
      First, glad to help :P

      Second- if I were to take the Orphean as "Orpheus the Musician" angle, I would probably focus about how Orpheus used his music to enchant the world. So instead of using entertainment to shape the Shadow, I see it as using entertainment to shape society, singing people into sleep and making them vulnerable to the outside by keeping them nice and warm inside. No need to go out of home and endanger yourself- you have everything you need right here. Just stay safe, lock the doors and ignore any scream you hear outside your door. Stay asleep, don't awake, and keep hearing our song. Bread and circuses kind of Ministry, IMO.

      Third- it seems I have missed the Raptor's Ministry! Let's hope She won't punish me for that :P Anyway, the Sycorian Ministry is, IIRC, a reference to Sycorax from the Tempest (which probably means that there was some other Ministry for the Raptor which was destroyed, as the name seems more modern than the others). Anyway, Sycorax is a dark witch, and if Prospero symbolize the "Wise and intelligent mage", she represents those who Awakened yet with no Wisdom. The Raptor is about how we all are meat suits driven by instincts, and Awakening should not change it. She also has a strong connotations for beasts from her name. Deformity is also a strong theme for both her and her son, Caliban. So overall, a Ministry which justifies atavism? That becoming like animals is staying "true"? Or perhaps something about acceptance of your ugly self instead of trying to evolve beyond it? We are what we are, nothing but instinct and desire, and so there is nothing wrong with our own dark side- for claiming we are anything but it, is just a lie? Something like that.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by LostLight View Post
        I think Dave said that one ministry was about creating monsters. Keyword: "Was." It was destroyed relatively recently by an extremely butthurt Scelestus Angrboda. I'm not sure if it was this ministry, however.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Prometheus View Post
          I think Dave said that one ministry was about creating monsters. Keyword: "Was." It was destroyed relatively recently by an extremely butthurt Scelestus Angrboda. I'm not sure if it was this ministry, however.
          Angrboda destroyed the Ministry of Geryon


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          • #6
            Dolusian is indeed the Ministry of misinformation.

            Orphean are named for Orpheus' music's effect - they put people to Sleep. Nemesis is the patron of the Seer's equivalent of the Veil.

            Herodian are the Ministry of Pre-emptive action and violent paranoia. Preppers, millionaires buying armed compounds to ride out climate change, militias occupying reservations, union busters, etc.

            Periasmon specialise in tempting role-models into downfall.

            Kyrian are the anti-social mobility Ministry; your class and prospects are decided at birth. Kyriarchy means "sovreignity;" they're boosters of "nobility", wealth disparity, and social castes.



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            • #7
              Originally posted by LostLight View Post
              the Logothete takes its name from administrative position in the Byzantium Empire- so perhaps something in the style of propaganda control and spreading
              I think it's more likely that it's about the spread and control of large unwieldy bureaucracy. Where the administrative apparatus usurps the control of people.

              'Byzantine' is generally used to refer to overly complex administrations.


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              • #8
                *Reads Dave's post*

                Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 🤩

                Now I won't have to do any brainstorming for those lesser ministries for my next Mage Chronicle!

                Also, props LostLight for call-shoting Dolusian.
                Last edited by Dusksage; 04-26-2020, 04:12 PM.

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                • #9
                  Starting something soonish and the Eye has come up, so this has come up.

                  Originally posted by LostLight View Post
                  The Phemian Ministry of the Eye, however, is much less obvious- it seems to relate to "speech", so perhaps instead of watching for secrets, the Phemian anonymously spreads secrets about people? Or maybe it threats people through their secrets? It must have the themes of "speech" or "voice", as well as secrets, but I am really not sure how..
                  Have you stumbled upon any revelations? Is it a sort of 'If you see something, say something.' You definitely have a lot to go on with talking and secrets, overhearing them or being a bank for them but it's hard to see that as a ministry (which may be why they're a lesser one). Perhaps something about confession or confidentiality, hiding misdeeds behind NDAs? Or as simple as 'Everyone will know?' I have no idea. N&A has a delightful Eye prelate but e is Panopticon.
                  Last edited by nofather; 07-09-2020, 03:34 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nofather View Post
                    Starting something soonish and the Eye has come up, so this has come up.



                    Have you stumbled upon any revelations? Is it a sort of 'If you see something, say something.' You definitely have a lot to go on with talking and secrets, overhearing them or being a bank for them but it's hard to see that as a ministry (which may be why they're a lesser one). Perhaps something about confession or confidentiality, hiding misdeeds behind NDAs? Or as simple as 'Everyone will know?' I have no idea. N&A has a delightful Eye prelate but e is Panopticon.
                    Amm- must say I have never read the revelations, but the idea of a ministry working through rumors could be interesting. the problem is that it could somehwat step on the Dolusian's territory, as this is the "fake news" ministry- but again, both are lesser ministries.

                    On the other hand, having the Phemian going the other way than Panopticon- Panopticon is all about survillience, espionage and collecting information. The Phemian, as you describe, could be all about spreading information- so if the Dolusian is the "fake news ministry", the Phemian would be the "shaming" ministry. Less about "watching secretly others and collect information" and more about "let everyone know every little bad thing you have ever done", working through the community instead of the "secret police". I kinda imagine their members as being the gossip sharing "aunts", which makes everyone feel uncomrtable next to them because they know that if you'll slip your tongue, they'll let everyone know.

                    Sure, it is a bit simplified, but that could be a posible concept for them, IMO.


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