Hi,

I was thinking about mages, who are quite reckless with paradox. And I had quite a few 'ow really' moments there.

The main question is: Do lapsed paradox conditions stack for extra paradox die? And can you eliminite all of them with a single Scouring?

Here's my train of taught:

- Let's assume a mage who cares only a little bit about Wisdom, but does not care about Paradox. So not fully Mad One, but quite reckless.

- Let's disregard all the social implications (Pretty sure there is some backlash).

- As most mages, he still wants to do his spell as he sets them up. So for casting, all paradox are contained and none released. (Releasing is kinda always a bad choice, even Mad Ones will almost always contain and just take the Paradox condition)

- Paradox conditions can be quite annoying - depending on the ST. However: They lapse fairly quick at low Wisdom. Even at mage starting-level it is just a day.

- A lapsed Paradox conditions is in the pattern, and there is an extra die for every spellcast.

Here's a question: Do lapsed paradox conditions stack (extra paradox dice)?

Argument for stacking: Moe paradox in the mages pattern makes Paradox more likely, it makes sense. And it gives incentive to scour those as soon as possible (even if more conditions are running).

Argument against stacking: If they do, Mad Ones would have hundreds or thousands of Paradox die on every spellcast (every spell has one die at least, increasing over time, they can't contain at all, and gain conditions all the time, which lapse after a single turn).

- Let's assume they don't stack for now.

- If we just accept that one extra Paradox die from a lapsed condition is okay, we get in the interseting part.

- If we want to cast something without paradox, we either have to be a bit more careful (Dedicated Tool or mana to reduce paradox to a chance dice without reach).

- If we want to go full out, we dont care about paradox: We contain it, hope to low little successes on Wisdom (to take little damage, for that low Wisdom is a benefit). And we get paradox conditions

- If Wisdom is fairly low (Falling), it will be gone after a scene anyway, and it is just one more lapsed condition - and we assumed the paradox die don't stack and had one already.

- If we don't really care about generating more paradox conditions and go full out, then two of the three paradox conditions in the core book are irrelevant: Abyssal imago just means, we have to overreach enough, Abyssal Backlash means we risk more paradox, which will just result in another condition (with more successes) and we don't really care, and Abyssal Nimbus poses only a little risk: Even with the Resonant or Open conditions, there is no additional risk to summon abyssal entitied, unless you release a paradox.

If a mage doesn't really care about paradox, then over-reaching is just a lminor issue.And it makes one of the most important negative effects of high Gnosis (more paradox for over-reaching) irrelevant. Even the "buffing before something important" are quite irrelevant at Fallwing wisdom: Any paradox conditions occuring while buffing only lasts for a scene, and then it's gone.

However, the last question would be: How can a mage come back from that? If you can scoure all lapsed paradox conditions in a single go, then the return to the "normal" state is fairly easy - maybe even too easy. If every lapsed paradox condition has to be scoured on its own, then it would be a futile endavour after a certain amount of lapsed paradox conditions.

After reading the section a dozen times, I don't think there is a stamenet in RAW how stacking/scouring exactly works.

I was thinking about mages, who are quite reckless with paradox. And I had quite a few 'ow really' moments there.

The main question is: Do lapsed paradox conditions stack for extra paradox die? And can you eliminite all of them with a single Scouring?

Here's my train of taught:

- Let's assume a mage who cares only a little bit about Wisdom, but does not care about Paradox. So not fully Mad One, but quite reckless.

- Let's disregard all the social implications (Pretty sure there is some backlash).

- As most mages, he still wants to do his spell as he sets them up. So for casting, all paradox are contained and none released. (Releasing is kinda always a bad choice, even Mad Ones will almost always contain and just take the Paradox condition)

- Paradox conditions can be quite annoying - depending on the ST. However: They lapse fairly quick at low Wisdom. Even at mage starting-level it is just a day.

- A lapsed Paradox conditions is in the pattern, and there is an extra die for every spellcast.

Here's a question: Do lapsed paradox conditions stack (extra paradox dice)?

Argument for stacking: Moe paradox in the mages pattern makes Paradox more likely, it makes sense. And it gives incentive to scour those as soon as possible (even if more conditions are running).

Argument against stacking: If they do, Mad Ones would have hundreds or thousands of Paradox die on every spellcast (every spell has one die at least, increasing over time, they can't contain at all, and gain conditions all the time, which lapse after a single turn).

- Let's assume they don't stack for now.

- If we just accept that one extra Paradox die from a lapsed condition is okay, we get in the interseting part.

- If we want to cast something without paradox, we either have to be a bit more careful (Dedicated Tool or mana to reduce paradox to a chance dice without reach).

- If we want to go full out, we dont care about paradox: We contain it, hope to low little successes on Wisdom (to take little damage, for that low Wisdom is a benefit). And we get paradox conditions

- If Wisdom is fairly low (Falling), it will be gone after a scene anyway, and it is just one more lapsed condition - and we assumed the paradox die don't stack and had one already.

- If we don't really care about generating more paradox conditions and go full out, then two of the three paradox conditions in the core book are irrelevant: Abyssal imago just means, we have to overreach enough, Abyssal Backlash means we risk more paradox, which will just result in another condition (with more successes) and we don't really care, and Abyssal Nimbus poses only a little risk: Even with the Resonant or Open conditions, there is no additional risk to summon abyssal entitied, unless you release a paradox.

If a mage doesn't really care about paradox, then over-reaching is just a lminor issue.And it makes one of the most important negative effects of high Gnosis (more paradox for over-reaching) irrelevant. Even the "buffing before something important" are quite irrelevant at Fallwing wisdom: Any paradox conditions occuring while buffing only lasts for a scene, and then it's gone.

However, the last question would be: How can a mage come back from that? If you can scoure all lapsed paradox conditions in a single go, then the return to the "normal" state is fairly easy - maybe even too easy. If every lapsed paradox condition has to be scoured on its own, then it would be a futile endavour after a certain amount of lapsed paradox conditions.

After reading the section a dozen times, I don't think there is a stamenet in RAW how stacking/scouring exactly works.

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