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    Hi everybody, a mage in my chronicle has requested the help of her cabal to pursue a very big task. She wants to "resurrect" a deceased childhood friend, using matter to give her an undying, semi indestructable body and mind to reconstruct the person she was.

    It seems doable in theory, but needs mind 5 to actually do it and they are still far from it. The PC has access to mind 3, so can give herself 6+ dots in crafts, science and academics depending on what she could actually need to craft the robot body. Using matter 4 she doesn't really need to have a power source, as the "golem" spell will make it alive anyway. Then they are gonna need to use psychic genesis to make it like a person?

    I also think that the body could be crafted using perfected material, meaning that it would be close to invulnerable to mundane threats. It will take a lot of work but it sounds like a good and fun plot/obsession, how would you rule it?

  • #2
    Its very doable, especially since its not bringing the original's soul back. I think it might be good to add:

    - Self-Repairing machine to ensure they heal normally
    - A quest to the Underworld, a Supernal summoning, journey to the Astral or similar event to get a reference of the original mind
    - A pod where the pre-golem body could be stored, enchanted with Endless Bounty to make replacements and tinkering easy
    - A camera and mic to allow them to record sounds and images
    - A variation of Machine Invisibility to make them immune to metal scanners, make medical devices register them as human, etc
    - A constant Hallucination field just in case any gears are exposed through wounds, avoid people noticing they are room temperature, etc

    Some twists you can throw at them is having someone desperate enough revive the real person's body as a Promethean, which they rescued from a God Machine Infrastructure. Maybe the Promethean is really made from a copy of the body created with the Fork Numina. The original was subject to the Resurrection Numina and is now being indoctrinated to setup Infrastructure for some reason. Now you have 3 versions of the character running around, all real in their own way. What do you do ? Moreover, why did the Principle grant Pyros to revive them ? Why does the God Machine need them specifically? Just who are they in truth ?

    Lastly, you could add a villain who obsessed over this android revival to the point of becoming one with the fruits of the research:

    https://m45t1g05.blogspot.com/2019/0...stere.html?m=1
    Last edited by KaiserAfini; 08-23-2020, 01:31 PM.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post
      Its very doable, especially since its not bringing the original's soul back. I think it might be good to add:

      - Self-Repairing machine to ensure they heal normally
      - A quest to the Underworld, a Supernal summoning, journey to the Astral or similar event to get a reference of the original mind
      - A pod where the pre-golem body could be stored, enchanted with Endless Bounty to make replacements and tinkering easy
      - A camera and mic to allow them to record sounds and images
      - A variation of Machine Invisibility to make them immune to metal scanners, make medical devices register them as human
      - A constant Hallucination field just in case any gears are exposed through wounds, avoid people noticing they are room temperature, etc

      Some twists you can throw at them is having someone desperate enough revive the real person's body as a Promethean, which they rescued from a God Machine Infrastructure. Maybe the Promethean is really made from a copy of the body created with the Fork Numina. The original was subject to the Resurrection Numina and is now being indoctrinated to setup Infrastructure for some reason. Now you have 3 versions of the character running around, all real in their own way. What do you do ? Moreover, why did the Principle grant Pyros to revive them ? Why does the God Machine need them specifically? Just who are they in truth ?

      Lastly, you could add a villain who obsessed over this android revival to the point of becoming one with the fruits of the research:

      https://m45t1g05.blogspot.com/2019/0...stere.html?m=1

      this is looking great already. What if they wanted to try get the original soul, would it be remotely possible?

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      • #4
        When a person dies, their soul passes beyond the Tapestry, which is to say no one knows where it goes. True resurrection with the original soul is something only some of the most powerful entities and artifacts in the setting can pull off, but there is always a great and terrible price associated.

        Its a lot easier if it never left. For example, have a master of Time send a master of Death to before she died. Then have him trap and store the soul in a soul jar to be used in the present. But that way lies the path of the Reaper and one wonders if it wouldn't be easier to save them in the past.

        Alternatively, building on the machine theme, you could have the soul having been stolen before the death by a member of Cloud Infinite:

        http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...45#post1109045

        Maybe it was a lucky coincidence that it happened specifically to them. Maybe they are wearing through the soul at this very moment. Perhaps both villains are not working for the GM, but are part of a greater conspiracy to harness its power and this individual is somehow a lynchpin. Some time ago I wrote an Exarch cult called the Graiae Wetware that I think could be useful for that, with the Austere and Cloud Infinite being top agents of their divisions:

        http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...ch-cults/page2


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        The Szary Strażnik, an Obrimos Legacy of Scholars of the Glyphs of Fate (Fate/Prime)

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        • #5
          You should check out the rules for creating homonculi in The Tome of The Mysteries.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KaiserAfini View Post
            When a person dies, their soul passes beyond the Tapestry, which is to say no one knows where it goes. True resurrection with the original soul is something only some of the most powerful entities and artifacts in the setting can pull off, but there is always a great and terrible price associated.
            You might be able to bargain with one of the True Fae to manage it. Someone did that with my Gentry character, who was able to travel back in time, grab the person, leave a Fetch to die in their place, then return the individual to the present, but you're going to be writing the creature a blank check to pull off something of that magnitude, as the one making the deal found out.

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            • #7
              Just as a quick point of order, spells cast on an area generally can't move, while spells cast upon a subject affect that subject. A hallucination "field" as Kaiser mentioned, while very useful, wouldn't work as such per raw.

              Now I personally like to house rule that you can in fact craft a spell that has a point of origin and a field of effect that can be moved at the cost of a reach. However, if you allow such a change in your game you have to be ready for the consequences on the world.

              Otherwise go ham. Great suggestions all around.
              Last edited by Falcon777; 10-16-2020, 09:18 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Van Owen View Post

                You might be able to bargain with one of the True Fae to manage it. Someone did that with my Gentry character, who was able to travel back in time, grab the person, leave a Fetch to die in their place, then return the individual to the present, but you're going to be writing the creature a blank check to pull off something of that magnitude, as the one making the deal found out.
                That sounds inspired by Chrono Trigger, I like it.

                The Gentry will always try to twist your words, which is why the deal needs to be prepared in exacting detail. Once they swear by their Title, they have no choice but to follow through. But naturally they will seek a path that generates the most conflict,to secure constant nourishment.

                There is also the option of using the Arcadian or Aetherial boons for limited time travel, but the main challenge there is convincing the entity itself that you should meddle with the time stream. Another challenge is making a clone, but in theory its a safer option.
                Last edited by KaiserAfini; 10-16-2020, 09:09 AM.


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                The Szary Strażnik, an Obrimos Legacy of Scholars of the Glyphs of Fate (Fate/Prime)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Falcon777 View Post
                  Just as a quick point of order, spells cast on an area generally can't move, while spells cast upon a subject affect that subject. A hallucination "field" as Kaiser mentioned, while very useful, wouldn't work as such per raw.

                  Now I personally like to house rule that you can in fact craft a spell that has a point of origin that can be moved at the cost of a reach. However, if you allow such a change in your game you have to be ready for the consequences on the world.

                  Otherwise go ham. Great suggestions all around.
                  I am confused, I thought you could simply target a living being or vehicle as the center of the spell and then solve that, at least page 113 of the core book doesn't suggest otherwise. The caveat is that without additional Arcanum, the spell would affect everyone within, for good or ill. So a mage casting a dispellation field around their wife would be just as affected as any malicious casters.


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                  The Szary Strażnik, an Obrimos Legacy of Scholars of the Glyphs of Fate (Fate/Prime)

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                  • #10
                    So an ongoing effect that has an area of effect using area instead of subjects as the scale factor affects the area and only the area; it doesn't move if whatever was at the center of the area moves. For instance: if you cast a veiling spell upon the area that a trailer house is currently sat upon to hide it from say...spirits, that spell doesn't move when the trailer is moved because it wasn't cast upon the trailer, it was cast upon the area. You have to choose EITHER area OR subject's for your scale factor. My house rule allows you to reach to do both, but per raw you cannot.

                    As such you have to consider how other mages will use this basic spellcasting system to alter what they are doing with spells too, not just your players, if you want to introduce this capacity.

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                    • #11
                      To be fair, there's actually a more important, though more grey area, potential problem with a hallucination spell to hide circuitry and show physical wounds instead. The main problem with this tactic is that, once again, per raw you cannot change the spell's factors once you have cast the spell. So a hallucination field spell would realistically need to be cast every time a wound happens because the spell cannot update itself to recognize new situations. The unfortunate side effect of this is that illusions are stupidly hard to make with the Hallucination spell so long as the sensation being created is something active.

                      A better bet would be to use a Veiling spell. Mind could do it, though if you want to be thorough you may want to include Matter and/or Life since you're already dealing in those arcana anyways.
                      Last edited by Falcon777; 10-16-2020, 09:46 AM.

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