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  • What are the options for Mages not dying of old age?

    Hey I'm less savvy on Awakening Rules compared to Ascension, but what are the various methods that Mages use to not die of old Age.

    Was it you stop worrying about age as an Archmage, or was it just you're eternal on your Golden Road?

    Would not switching bodies with younger people also work to stave off death, but how easy is that?

    I remember before Death can extend one's life, irony.

    Couldn't you use the Life Arcana to just make yourself younger? Or is that not possible as it is only temporary or something?

    I'm assuming we had artifacts and items/places that extended life throughout the books.


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  • #2
    Death 5+Life 3 lets you put yourself in someone else's body (and eject their soul, sucks to be them). Life 5+Death 4 lets you dramatically slow your aging, with exceptional success stopping your aging entirely. Life 3 has a spell that (among other things) adds 25 years per Life dot to your lifespan. Archmastery of any arcana gives you the ability to become immortal, but those are imperial spells so you have to get creative on your own for those. You could also likely get creative with Time and/or Fate at <6 dots to extend your life.

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    • #3
      Could a mage put themselves into a constructed body, or an artifact body, a robot body, or a tree/animal body?


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
        Could a mage
        Yes. With the right arcana, anything is possible.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Yawgmoth View Post
          Yes. With the right arcana, anything is possible.
          Okay replace that question then with what Arcana could a mage...


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          • #6
            For a construct body, you'd need Matter 5 (to make the body; see the homunculus stuff in TotM), then Death 5+Life 3 at least (using a version of Steal Body). You might also need Life 5 to make the body actually animate, depending on interpretation. I would say not, personally. A robot body would likely be much the same, possibly with Forces 3-4 depending on how Iron Man you wanna be. For an artifact I would say at least Prime 4, likely 5, as well as a significant effort involved with finding the freaking artifact body. For an animal or plant body, simply use Steal Body above, or a variant thereof.

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            • #7
              How attached are you to your current form? I mean, you could hang around as a ghost mage, there's a legacy in Sublime which allows a third level member to become a spirit at death, or you could become a morphean from Astral Realms.

              They're all kinda life extensions... well, you continue to exist.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Michael View Post
                How attached are you to your current form? I mean, you could hang around as a ghost mage, there's a legacy in Sublime which allows a third level member to become a spirit at death, or you could become a morphean from Astral Realms.

                They're all kinda life extensions... well, you continue to exist.
                Or, your friendly neighbourhood Tremere Lich would just love for you to drop by! For a chat! None of this 'wait until your dead with diminished powers' rubbish - just sign here on the dotted line. It's not like you were really using your soul, anyway ...

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                • #9
                  Just about every method of immortality that isn't an imperial spell usually has bad and risky side effects. Most immortal mages are declared Liches, and hunted. Mage society tends to be twitchy and nervous around those immortals, just in case said mages are doing something dark and unnatural to stay healthy and alive.

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                  • #10
                    theres an artifact in the Arrows book that makes you inmortal

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                    • #11
                      So are the Vast vast majority of mages then never going to use magic to extend their life? In the CWOD it was common that Masters extended their Life, and Archmages used a lot of tricks. Is the NWOD Mage assuming most mages won't try to use their own powers/barter for extended life unless they are being drastic, or becoming Archmages.


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                      • #12
                        There's also the Steal Lifespan rote from the core book that lets you just take a few years off random sleepers using Death 5.

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                        • #13
                          The thing with Mage (either Ascension or Awakening) was to use your Spheres/Arcanum creatively. You can look through the main book and you could think up combinations that no one else has. So you should delve into things and start seeing what you can come up with.

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                          • #14
                            You can also make deals with Abyssal or Supernal (or other) entities for a respite from aging. Core rulebook has it in the Acamoth Investments. Summoners has it in the Fortification category of requests you can ask for.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                              So are the Vast vast majority of mages then never going to use magic to extend their life? In the CWOD it was common that Masters extended their Life, and Archmages used a lot of tricks. Is the NWOD Mage assuming most mages won't try to use their own powers/barter for extended life unless they are being drastic, or becoming Archmages.
                              Atlantean mages do have something of a bias against efforts to cheat death. While using Life to extend the lifespan by a century or so is not generally looked down upon, outright immortality tends to get viewed by orthodoxy as a violation of the natural order based on beliefs regarding Stygia. Which of course doesn't stop enterprising Free Councilors (who are decidedly more accepting of liches and such things in general by way of comparison) and Left-Handed mages from investing in such things to varying degrees.

                              And of course, once you become an Archmaster it becomes a comparatively simple matter, but then at that point you're violating the normal boundaries of Awakened magic anyway and so it's not a very useful point for discussion.


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