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does the Duat "still" exist?
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Last edited by TyrannicalRabbit; 02-16-2017, 04:31 AM.
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Originally posted by ArcaneArts View PostLike, the Arisen do not speculate that Aa'ru is part of the Supernal-they tell mages that the Supernal is A'aru and then more or less expect mages to adjust their understanding to fall in line with their cosmological truths. Mages may not do the exact opposite in kind, because mages are not their fanbase, but they definitely look at A'aru, squint, and go. "uh....I don't think you fully get what we're talking about."
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Originally posted by TyrannicalRabbit View Post
Or it's a small side comment on a throwaway hint that DaveB was so kind to give us that vaguely references something we will get more information about once the actual book launches and I responded to one posters minor miss givings over this small bit of information by commenting on some of the reasons why some people might feel less comfortable with certain information than others. Generally when the response I see is "OMG STAWP talking about Mage primacy!" I'm pretty much not going to take you seriously.
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Originally posted by reseru View PostIt's funny how saying something from a different perspective can completely change one's mind about something. Thumbs up, ArcLast edited by ArcaneArts; 02-16-2017, 06:26 PM.
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Originally posted by ArcaneArts View PostYou can not take us seriously as much as you want. You are still making a problem out of a thing that is not a problem. At all.
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Originally posted by Seraph Kitty View PostI've interpreted Sekhem as being Resonance, and I think that fits with the descriptions of it across Mummy and Dark Eras.
Originally posted by Rose Bailey View PostThere are a shitton of things in Heaven and Earth that aren't dreamt of in Awakened philosophy. There wouldn't really be a Mage if there weren't.
Originally posted by reseru View PostIndeed. I'm very inclined to think that while, yes, Duat is a Lower Depth, A'aru/Supernal is only an in-character explanation but is actually separate
Originally posted by reseru View PostI really, really like Mummy, and I don't want to have, nagging in the back of my head, knowledge that its unique cosmology is overriden by Mage's.
But to keep in topic for the OP, I can't imagine any reason mummies wouldn't think Duat still exists.
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Here's a thought - again, just spitballing, not trying to mage/mummy supremacy all over the place - maybe Aa'ru is like a Supernal Realm without a Watchtower. The 42 Judges of Life are not exarchs, but are primordial beings who were never ousted from the Supernal. Utterances and Nomenclature derive from the Scroll of Ages, and doesn't work like the Arcana because Aa'ru is a realm the Exarchs and other Archmages are barred from. The Exarchs ousted many of the Old Gods and anthropomorphized the universe in some tellings. Aa'ru is that part that is still ruled by utterly alien beings.
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My reading of Dreams of Avarice (and all of Mummy reaally), was that it told the (metaphoric) truth about the material world as it currently exists.
If I wanted to factor Mage's cosmology into this, it would be that the supernal doesn't actually make things exist - it provides blueprints, but phenomenal reality has to make itself. The Judges created the Law of the Fallen world. The Exarchs merely changed the blueprints a little, to ensure that oppression was more fundamental and magic was suppressed.
Maybe the Judges Law wouldn't be as grimdark without the Exarchs. Maybe. But magic and nature have plenty of other horrible truths. Plus, if the Seers are right, the World Before was indifferent to humanity - ruled by cruel gods of nature.
Another way of looking at this is that the Ma'at (and the Judges as its manifestation) chose which symbols get to be in the Supernal and which are lies that can't be - as this is the divine law that forms reality.Last edited by Seraph Kitty; 02-17-2017, 03:40 PM.Second Chance for
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