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  • The Shan'iatu and the Judges of Duat

    Let's start this off with a tidbit quoted on the Shan'iatu in the White Wolf Wiki.

    Unbeknownst to the Arisen (with the possible exception of The Heretic), it is quite possible that the Shan'iatu are the Judges. However, there are 42 Judges of Duat, but only 35 Shan'iatu that managed to descend. The Deceived likewise believe that the Judges of Duat are their former compatriots and bear a major grudge against them.
    That said, let's say this is true in your canon. Who among the Judges of Duat turn out to actually be those 35 Ascended Shan'iatu? For starters, I'd like to cross out these two particular Judges as possibilities, since I have a nagging feeling that they may have been among the original Judges of Death.

    Usekh-Nemtet, the First Judge
    Arem-Afbu, the Final Judge
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    Something worth noting is that Dreams of Avarice includes quite a bit of new info about the Shan'iatu, the Judges and the relationship between the two.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Acrozatarim View Post
      Something worth noting is that Dreams of Avarice includes quite a bit of new info about the Shan'iatu, the Judges and the relationship between the two.
      Dang. Should have seen that coming.

      Though now that you mention it. Does it also plan to include info on those supposed "Judges of Life"?


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      • #4
        It lays everything pretty much straight out.

        Turns out the original Judges were the true assholes all along.


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        • #5
          So, The Assholes Behind the Assholes?


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          • #6
            And one more asshole behind those assholes.

            TO be fair though, only the Shan'iatu deviated from their roles.


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            • #7
              I really wish I had a copy of that book, right about now. Even a draft of it.
              -_-


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              • #8
                If it helps any, An-Hotep was revealed to have been a shaniatu of the Scribes, possibly the ibis-masked Shan'iatu that is Heretic's Judge.

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                • #9
                  It made Anpu amazing and I like how they blurred the lines of universal phenomena and personal gods in the fiction. Really damn good work from a myth making perspective.


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                  • #10
                    Yeah! I'm still not sure if Aset/Isis was a goddess at all before the sacrifice. And Ptah wasn't even mentioned. So.. does this mean ALL temakh are wonky and crazy like the seven decieved ones?

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                    • #11
                      The Shan'iatu ain't shit. There's Judges greater than them and gods greater than them.

                      Except the Deceived temakhs betrayed the other ones who tried to betray the Judges who betrayed the gods O_o

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cleverest of Things View Post
                        If it helps any, An-Hotep was revealed to have been a shaniatu of the Scribes, possibly the ibis-masked Shan'iatu that is Heretic's Judge.

                        An-Hotep the scribe is named after the Judge, but isn't it. He was just the Heretic's ordinary, mortal boss.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cleverest of Things View Post
                          Yeah! I'm still not sure if Aset/Isis was a goddess at all before the sacrifice. And Ptah wasn't even mentioned. So.. does this mean ALL temakh are wonky and crazy like the seven decieved ones?
                          Had Ptah been mentioned previously? I wasn't aware he had an Iremite equivalent.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by atamajakki View Post

                            Had Ptah been mentioned previously? I wasn't aware he had an Iremite equivalent.
                            Ptah is the Nameless Bull, originally.


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                            • #15
                              Wait wait wait- so was there a Sutekh before one of the Deceived became a Sha and killed Azar? Was there a Nameless Falcon before Aset ascended (descended)?

                              Do the Judges serve the gods, or are they in parallel 'departments' as it were?

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