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  • #16
    That's the problem: the Unfleshed are constructs by default. They don't have a divide between organic and inorganic, since they're all the latter. I figure they have a divide according to how their pre-Pilgrimage functions survive the Act.

    Good point on the other derived traits. PO is meant to trigger at Azoth or Pilgrimage 6, the latter being quite likely to occur. Skills/Attributes at 6 are subsequent to Azoth 6, so these two are really the only ones that should matter.

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    • #17
      Was reading some articles about biological 3-D Printers and the experiments they were running with them and it brought a question to mind. Would a Promethean created from 3-d printed (but completely cell-based) organs be more likely to be a Construct or Unfleshed? Or would they be able to be any type of Promethean? Every part of them is basically identical to human organs, but no corpse was harvested. Heck, the organs might have even be alive, if unable to be put together normally.


      A god is just a monster you kneel to. - ArcaneArts, Quoting "Fall of Gods"

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      • #18
        I've suggested before that the Unfleshed counterpoint to a Construct would be an Android: an artificial being composed of synthesized flesh; with organs that were never harvested from a living being, but were instead made from “vat-grown” tissues. Assembled rather than grown, and thus having the essence of a machine despite being composed entirely of biological materials and potentially being indistinguishable from a regular human being.

        Despite being made of flesh and bone, the Android is every bit as Manufactured as any Unfleshed.
        Last edited by Dataweaver; 12-28-2016, 12:34 AM.


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        • #19
          Cool. Maybe their disfigurement makes them look like someone badly stitched a doll together out of human skin and stuffed it haphazardly full of random organs, Invader Zim-style.


          A god is just a monster you kneel to. - ArcaneArts, Quoting "Fall of Gods"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Master Aquatosic View Post
            Cool. Maybe their disfigurement makes them look like someone badly stitched a doll together out of human skin and stuffed it haphazardly full of random organs, Invader Zim-style.
            Or look like the perfect human being they were designed as.

            The point being too perfect.

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            • #21
              Master Aquatosic, you mean like from Westworld?



              If yes, I see them totally Unfleshed - they are made for serving humans, don't they?


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              • #22
                Too perfect sounds too close to the Galateads' Disfigurements


                A god is just a monster you kneel to. - ArcaneArts, Quoting "Fall of Gods"

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Master Aquatosic View Post
                  Was reading some articles about biological 3-D Printers and the experiments they were running with them and it brought a question to mind. Would a Promethean created from 3-d printed (but completely cell-based) organs be more likely to be a Construct or Unfleshed? Or would they be able to be any type of Promethean? Every part of them is basically identical to human organs, but no corpse was harvested. Heck, the organs might have even be alive, if unable to be put together normally.
                  Under "Tantalus" you'll find my idea for a Promethean made of living tissue. I think it probably works fine for Unfleshed, so long as the concept is utilitarian enough. For example, a madman who makes a proof-of-concept prototype of Dataweaver's android, for example, has essentially created an Unfleshed, where a pervert-savant who designs her perfect lover down to the cell probably ends up with a Galateid. All Unfleshed are constructs, if we mean by that inorganic materials, but the Lineage differs in that no Unfleshed are not Constructs, and that no Unfleshed is meant to be fully alive.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Verge View Post

                    Under "Tantalus" you'll find my idea for a Promethean made of living tissue. I think it probably works fine for Unfleshed, so long as the concept is utilitarian enough. For example, a madman who makes a proof-of-concept prototype of Dataweaver's android, for example, has essentially created an Unfleshed, where a pervert-savant who designs her perfect lover down to the cell probably ends up with a Galateid. All Unfleshed are constructs, if we mean by that inorganic materials, but the Lineage differs in that no Unfleshed are not Constructs, and that no Unfleshed is meant to be fully alive.

                    So, what makes an Unfleshed is the intent to create something inhuman, rather than trying to bring back the dead?


                    A god is just a monster you kneel to. - ArcaneArts, Quoting "Fall of Gods"

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                    • #25
                      Yes:
                      Intent matters. Unfleshed are meant to be simulacra of humans, not humans themselves. They must be made of non-human parts, yes, but the creator must also desire something less than human: a robot, a living sculpture, an artificial intelligence, a puppet with a mind of its own. All of these things are alive, yes, but they were created with the expectation that they would not be human.
                      And let me repeat: Prometheans aren't about bringing back the dead. They're about creating life.


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Master Aquatosic View Post


                        So, what makes an Unfleshed is the intent to create something inhuman, rather than trying to bring back the dead?
                        It might be better to say "sub-human", for all the dangerous associations. However much their forms might mimic the human body, they aren't designed to mimic the human being. An Unfleshed usually is not expected to eat or fuck or self-realize as part of its intended function, while a Construct is, to whatever practical limit their odd body permits and their Pilgrimage inspires in them. An Unfleshed body made with sound engineering could still function as a machine without the animation of Pyros. The same might be said of a Construct built to the same principles, but that Promethean probably saw additional care taken to provide it with passably human features.

                        Have you seen Edward Scissorhands? Edward's a Construct, and his creator wanted to make him human. He took a machine and refined it over and over until he had something almost human. His creator kept adding human capacities and features to a food processor. Compare that to a Hall of Presidents animatronic. Those serve to replace actors, but aren't expected to go Westworld, not until the Pyros wakes them. They look and sound human (to a degree), but the moment they go off script, something is terribly wrong.

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