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    Most the games have this. The strix, insatiable, abyss, idigram, the huntsmen. What is the promethean equivalent? Is it the alchemists?

    Admittedly, the tormented seems to be having this show up as the big bad

  • #2
    Let's see: we've got Pandorans (i.e., what you get when the creation process goes horribly wrong), Sublimati (Pandorans who are intelligent; the regular ones are more like beasts than people), Centimani (Prometheans who have no interest in the Pilgramage, and become unstable as a result), and qashmallim (angel-like beings composed of the Divine Fire that either guide or destroy; the former are often helpful, the latter often troublesome, but neither is wholly good or evil).

    Then there's what Tormented will cover, much of which we already known but a lot of which is yet to be revealed.


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    • #3
      Clarity: The Out-Of-Context Apple-Cart-Upsetter of Mage is the Fallen World, not the Abyss.

      Similarly, Firestorms are treated Promethean's equivalent. The Qashmallim are probably the second closest concept, but really it's the Pyros as a contaminant and flammable substance.


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      • #4
        Rule of thumb-If it features in the Chronicle Name, that's The Thing That Ruins Days.


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        • #5
          Can't believe I forgot about the qashmallim. It would make sense for them to be the more "what the hell do we do about these guys" kinda threat/odd ally.

          If im being unclear, which i sure do sound like, i mean most the books have a section focusing on out of context villain, such as the strix and idigram. Other lines have night horrors showcasing them, like the insatiable.

          Promethean on the other hand, being a 2nd edition book, does not have one

          Did not get your posts at first ArcaneArts. Hmm, so pyros itself is the out of context problem? I'll admit I did not even think of that
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Primordial newcomer View Post
            Can't believe I forgot about the qashmallim. It would make sense for them to be the more "what the hell do we do about these guys" kinda threat/odd ally.

            If im being unclear, which i sure do sound like, i mean most the books have a section focusing on out of context villain, such as the strix and idigram. Other lines have night horrors showcasing them, like the insatiable.

            Promethean on the other hand, being a 2nd edition book, does not have one

            Did not get your posts at first ArcaneArts. Hmm, so pyros itself is the out of context problem? I'll admit I did not even think of that
            Well, a lot of that is deriving from the fact that Firestorms are the designated Chronicle focus-the absolute destruction that clears up the detrimental effects of built-up Pyros correspondingly ties into the problems of Pyros's presence in the world in it's various forms, particularly when it incarnates the "will" of The Principle.

            When things happen with Pyros, things get screwy.


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            • #7
              As Arcane says, Pyros is the big danger in the game, which means you're the out of context enemy. You're a walking bomb, dangerous to anyone you're around, but you need to be around people in order to continue your Pilgrimage. Lesser expressions of danger are the Torment you can fall into, but when you get to firestorms, then you're capable of destroying a swath of land and the people who live there. And, if you stop your Pilgrimage, bad things happen to you.

              Walk the road as quickly as you can, but try not to trip, because you may not be the only one who gets hurt.

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              • #8
                This is a pretty enlightening way to see It. Thanks for elaborating guys!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by ArcaneArts View Post
                  Rule of thumb-If it features in the Chronicle Name, that's The Thing That Ruins Days.
                  Ah that reminds me, was it ever said what Beast's Chronicle name was? I remember reading a dev's post that they had one though I don't actually remember them saying what it was. My guess Heroes since that was the only major Antagonist in the core book but I'm not sure


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Iceblade44 View Post

                    Ah that reminds me, was it ever said what Beast's Chronicle name was? I remember reading a dev's post that they had one though I don't actually remember them saying what it was. My guess Heroes since that was the only major Antagonist in the core book but I'm not sure
                    Beast, being a game in it's first run, didn't have Chronicle name. New games don't have those-you'll notice Mummy 1st and Demon didn't have a Chronicle name either. Deviant also doesn't have a Chronicle name.


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                    • #11
                      Demon in particular will also have analysts in the 2nd edition corebook, so it have a lot going for it

                      Re reading the the firestorm chapter, promethean is very detailed explaining firestorms now that I think about it

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                      • #12
                        Demon in particular will also have analysts in the 2nd edition corebook, so it have a lot going for it

                        Re reading the the firestorm chapter, promethean is very detailed explaining firestorms now that I think about i

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Primordial newcomer View Post
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                          Kindly ask a mod to handle it. You can also flag it as spam.


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                          • #14
                            Frankly, “the ___ Chronicle” was a dodge around the “no Second Edition” ban that CCP(?) had in place at the time. You'll note that just as soon as Onyx Path was out from under their authority, “Blood and Smoke: the Strix Chronicle” suddenly got rebranded as “Vampire: the Requiem, Second Edition”. Sure, the Chronicles are a nice thing to have; but they're hardly essential.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dataweaver View Post
                              Frankly, “the ___ Chronicle” was a dodge around the “no Second Edition” ban that CCP(?) had in place at the time. You'll note that just as soon as Onyx Path was out from under their authority, “Blood and Smoke: the Strix Chronicle” suddenly got rebranded as “Vampire: the Requiem, Second Edition”. Sure, the Chronicles are a nice thing to have; but they're hardly essential.
                              Well, let's also not pretend that it's something that hasn't gone forward since it stopped being a dodge for the Second Edition branding- Hunter, Geist, and Mummy all have Chronicle titles post Second Edition freedom(in the form of the Slasher Chronicles, the Chronicles of the Dead, and the Timeless Chronicles), so it's still very much a part of the design for Second Edition games, even if it's no longer dodging that problem.


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