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  • #31
    Originally posted by Dataweaver View Post
    The big change to the Tammuz between the two editions isn't that they got divorced from the concept of golems, but rather that they're no longer the slavery Lineage. That got transplanted to the new Unfleshed, and the Tammuz have been left with… the language thing.
    Which itself has been more explicitly tied into the imprisonment/confinement/restriction thing that the Ishtari fed into as their corresponding Mockery in 1e.

    The servitude of the Unfleshed is baked into their nature as tools built for a purpose, but the Tammuz served because that is the niche they were made — not created but made — to occupy. A word gives form to the formless in a messy way that metrics and schematics and designed processes do not — the Golem's quest for ensoulment is a means of escaping mere definition.


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    • #32
      While the book doesn't end up going too far into this, in a forum comment, Matt suggested one way of viewing the Lineages is as an expression of where life comes from and what it is - such as lightning for the Frankensteins. But expanding the concept a bit further, you could see them as:

      Frankensteins: Life is a force. A spark that adds to unliving matter and transforms it. To create life, is thus a search - a quest that could be mystical or scientific, but is ultimately about the insight of the seeker. If it's the spark that's important, what the base matter is shouldn't matter too much, and a Frankenstein could be made from other materials than bodies (theres textual evidence in the novel that the Creature himself wasn't made from body parts).

      Galateids: Life is inspiration. Works of beauty and creativity take on lives of their own - this is said again and again about art, why would it be less so for art made in the form of life? To create life is to exemplify the process of creating anything else - to create the perfect work of art, or the work of perfect art. It's easy enough to picture a Galateid made from inanimate matter - look no further than the original legend - though the matter should be precious.

      Osirians: Life is eternal. It doesn't come and go, it persists forever, and can retun or be restored - it is a true thing of the world made manifest, whether found in gods or mortals. To create life is first and foremost an act of power, compelling the world to be what it should be. This is the Lineage it's hardest to picture being made from anything but bodies.

      Tammuz: Life is the word, or the Word. The ultimate decree of the ultimate power. To create life is therefore a plea - to make your case to the ultimate judge that it should decree life be found in this vessel. Again, it's easy to imagine Tammuz made out of anything, though it seems more fitting to me that they be made out of just one thing (each, I mean - like one made from mud is made from nothing but mud, one made from bodies is made from nothing but bodies).

      Ulgan: Life is a threshold. The point where the world of solid matter meets the world of ephemeral spirit - only living things naturally partake of both worlds. To create life is therefore an act of initiation - both for the creator and the created - to step from one phase of your existence to the next. Like the Osirians, I find it hard to picture Ulgans as being made ffrom anything but living or formerly living matter (but not necessarily just human flesh).

      Unfleshed: Life is pure mechanism. Or doesn't at all per se. To create life is simply a matter of assembling the right mechansms to they work together. It doesn't matter what you make them from - it could be anything - indeed, I could see bodies being a feasible medium too.

      Extemporae: Life is unknowable. A mystery that exists in the world. To create life is to brush against that mystery, but never to truly understand it - and that mystery can act on its own just as easily to bring life where none existed or knew it could exist. If we're going to go full-on unknowable, a limit of human bodies as the baseline is probably off the cards too.


      Anyway, as for the OP, that's where I'd put the difference between a Tammuz and an Unfleshed - the significance of the act of making one. Which would knock on into the significance of making one of them a slave.

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