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  • How will a domain react to a failed Coup?

    Both the Invictus book, and the 2nd Edition Requiem Corebook, Say that the Invictus will often times try to make a non invictus prince dependent on them. then try to sieze power in a sudden bold stroke.

    Ideas how the city will react when such an attempt backfires? A Circle prince WILL know, the inner circle was behind it, a carthian prince probaly would, ideas how they could react?



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    At the risk of repeating myself, 'it depends.'

    For instance, many vampires might die in a coup, making retaliation difficult. The entire thing could be staged, or Kindred could think it was staged. Everything is going to tend towards 'business as usual,' but business as usual could be a high stress environment where no one knows what's going to happen the next night. If the group doing the uprising is small and wiped out, it might not matter beyond a few more laws passed down. If the conspiracy is vast and labyrinthine then there could be an inquisition and all sorts of cover-ups or secrets unveiled. Plus there's the immortal nature of Kindred that can have longer term consequences than in real life, for instance in Chicago Maxwell wasn't as dead as Old John thought, but popped up over a decade later to gank him. And it's possible Old John might not have reached the Final Death either.

    Could you give a more concrete example? Who is doing it? Who died? Why?
    Last edited by nofather; 11-02-2017, 10:35 PM.

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      Thinking the Invictus doing it against a Crone prince. Why? Because the First estate obviously deserves to rule.


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        Well the obvious thing is that the Prince will want to make sure it doesn't happen again. Under normal circumstances the conspiriters would be killed or subjected to blood bond however a Crone Prince might apply scaring to them instead as it shows they failed but respects that they were strong enough to try. The other possibility is that those who caried it out might flee the domain leaving their underlings to take the fall.
        Long story short it all comes down to what the prince wants and what's stopping that from happening.

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          Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
          Both the Invictus book, and the 2nd Edition Requiem Corebook, Say that the Invictus will often times try to make a non invictus prince dependent on them. then try to sieze power in a sudden bold stroke.

          Ideas how the city will react when such an attempt backfires? A Circle prince WILL know, the inner circle was behind it, a carthian prince probaly would, ideas how they could react?
          It's kind of hard to determine how a reaction will go without context for the events in the first place. The current iteration of Invictus revolves around propping up non-Invictus and make them the bullseye for the other covenants' power grabbers. So long as they're dealing the cards, they don't really care who sits at the table to play. Since their best abilities entail deriving slivers of influence by giving non-Invictus more power, why would they depose the current structure since they emphatically don't go around radically upending the status quo by directly going out and rioting or shooting people.

          If you're using the first edition of Invictus, why is an Acolyte or Carthian prince even aware of the existence of an inner circle in the first place? If outsiders can correctly point to them as the inner circle and feasibly blame them for a failed coup, then they were catastrophically stupid and probably should be destroyed.
          If this inner circle "was" involved in the failed coup, then they were either very stupid, or they intended that the coup was always meant to fail and it's a demonstration of their power. Maybe the coup was just a distraction from something else they didn't want the prince and his "loyal" underlings to notice. Maybe a test to see who would come crawling out of the woodwork to help either side, who would turn traitor etc. Maybe it was designed to provoke a response from the prince to prove to the general population (or a "neutral" organization they are trying to influence) that the prince is an over-reactionary paranoiac and probably should be deposed.

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