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  • How to prepare for torpor?

    how to prepare for a spot of Torpor, if you gaiin the languid condition, or how to help a friend wyho was done in in a battle plunging him into torpor.



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    First, attempt to determine how long you may be napping. Chances are "a long while" is the answer.

    Ensure that you have a safe place to take refuge. A literal safe, locked on the inside (or, unlockable from the inside), with arrangements made to bury it or drop it into a secure location, may be wise.

    Ensuring that you have blood supply around when you wake up is helpful, if a mystical challenge assuming your plans stretch forward in time.

    Using certain powers such as melding with earth can secure your location well and make you hard to dig up. Ensuring no one (including spirits, if you know they exist) are about to note your unmarked grave is harder.

    There may or may not be means to awaken a friend in torpor ... likely pouring a great deal of blood down said friend's throat is probably a component. Rituals may be involved. I don't actually have something to point to in this regard off-hand.

    Make your business arrangements as if you're going on a trip. A long trip. If you're kind, pass ghouls off to some trusted compatriots. Do so through letters that they deliver to said contacts, lest the ghouls get strange ideas about how to take care of you. Alternately, ensure they are integral to your plans... have them feed you blood while sleeping, and draw off what they need in Vitae. This is likely to end with you at zero blood on awaking, but you didn't really intend to keep those ghouls past their shelf-date anyway....

    We could go on for hours. More specifics would be helpful if you're looking for particular suggestions. The books make clear that torpor is a pain in the tail for vamps, very disruptive but ultimately freeing as it helps them shed their burden of lies and past possessions.

    --Khanwulf

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Khanwulf View Post
      There may or may not be means to awaken a friend in torpor ... likely pouring a great deal of blood down said friend's throat is probably a component. Rituals may be involved. I don't actually have something to point to in this regard off-hand.
      "As well, any vampire with two more dots of Blood Potency than she has can feed her a point of Vitae to awaken her (with the normal risks of blood bonds and addiction)."

      But there should definitely be a Scale (from the Mystery of Slumbers if you want to update either version from first edition) or Ritual (from both Blood Sorceries) that can do it without extra potent blood.


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      • #4
        That was what I was thinking of. My impression is, however, that there are actually few canon tools for dealing with/mitigating torpor.

        A gamey tactic that might or might not work could be arranging your languid vampire to be staked, which places him into a kind of torpor for the duration of the staking. Coming out of that could clear Languid? Maybe? VtM distinguished the states by referring to staking as "paralysis"--in which you were aware but immobile. VtR does not, to my knowledge, differentiate.


        --Khanwulf

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        • #5
          a game I ran a bit ago, on Rpol a Ventrue Fledgling chose staking rather then voluntary torpor for going through her funeral because not knowing 'when' was too risky.


          oh on Languid? if you take Languid, you have 30 days after waking too to gain a new touchstone?


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
            oh on Languid? if you take Languid, you have 30 days after waking too to gain a new touchstone?
            Other way around — you have a month to gain a new Touchstone if you choose to immediately lose Humanity, and if you fail to do so then you get Languid, as opposed to choosing to take Languid immediately and save the dot of Humanity.


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            • #7
              if you take languid immediately, after waking do you have 30 days from then to gain a new touch stone?


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                if you take languid immediately, after waking do you have 30 days from then to gain a new touch stone?
                If you take Languid you resolve Languid when you fall into torpor and then wake with all the complications not having a Touchstone gives you, including greater risk of detachment and greater susceptibility to frenzy. The Condition isn't intrinsic to the state of not having Touchstones.


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                • #9
                  Is buying a new touchstone reasonable.?


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                    Is buying a new touchstone reasonable.?
                    It requires raising your Humanity, but yes.


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                    • #11
                      No, if a vampire LOSES their last (or usually in my case the ONLY) touchstone for reasons..., you take the Languid condition immediately OR you have a month to get another touchstone or you take a Humanity hit AND get the Languid condition. The Languid condition which gets resolved by ST fiat or succumbing to torpor.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tsusasi View Post
                        No, if a vampire LOSES their last (or usually in my case the ONLY) touchstone for reasons..., you take the Languid condition immediately OR you have a month to get another touchstone or you take a Humanity hit AND get the Languid condition.
                        "If a vampire loses her last Touchstone — for example, if he died — then she has two choices. She may immediately lose a dot of Humanity. If she takes that path, she has one month to find a new Touchstone to replace him. If she does not within that time, she gets the Languid Condition (see p. 304). Alternately, she may take the Languid Condition immediately."


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                        • #13
                          Which is what I said.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tsusasi View Post
                            Which is what I said.
                            What you said is that you take the Humanity hit and the Condition after failing to replace the Touchstone. If you opt for the one-month window, you take the Humanity hit right away, regardless of whether you succeed or fail.


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                            • #15
                              You're already losing Humanity when you lose a touchstone. (Hint: That's how vampires lose them. Along with the ST being a dick and killing them off also.) You either suck it up and take that loss and go into torpor. Or you try and stall it and scramble to get a new touchstone.

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