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  • Obfuscate 5 Oubliette

    Oubliette remains active for BP weeks.

    The owner as described on book "can turn an alleyway into a maze that nobody can escape from, or make a humble brownstone appear to be a stately manor house."

    Does that requires the focus and the presence of the owner inside the house?

    Is it possible to cage a target inside oubliette and leave him there for the entire duration of the effect while u r outesite of that space?

    Is ti possible to "create a maze" inside the affected space that remains active during the day while u r sleeping?



  • #2
    You can change the aspect of everything into the affected area and it will last for BP weeks until the vampire does not change the effects.
    It's not possible to cage anyone. You can just apply any other Obfuscate power to any other object/person without costs and as reflexive actions and from anywhere in the affected area. I'm also pretty sure you can't change any effect from outside the area.

    That's say you can obfuscate a door, let a stairs appear as a column, the walls creepy and you can let any person inside having the aspect of any other (a friend of one of the intruder could appear like his worst enemy and he could attack him - in a chronicle of my a PC of mine attached another character without knowing he was the PC of another member of the coterie).
    You can't create wall from anything, I think.

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    • #3
      IMO obfuscate affects the brain in order to trick the senses. An obfuscated mind could be disoriented enough to do circles around his body while he thinks that he tries to ascape through endless hallways. thats why the book says "can turn an alleyway into a maze that nobody can escape from, or make a humble brownstone appear to be a stately manor house.".

      Ofc you cant create something from nothing but you can trick the senses of someone iside tha the wooden door he touches, has tha cold feeling of the stone ands appears like a wall, so thats not the exit.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by hellcaster View Post
        Oubliette remains active for BP weeks.

        The owner as described on book "can turn an alleyway into a maze that nobody can escape from, or make a humble brownstone appear to be a stately manor house."

        Does that requires the focus and the presence of the owner inside the house?

        Is it possible to cage a target inside oubliette and leave him there for the entire duration of the effect while u r outesite of that space?

        Is ti possible to "create a maze" inside the affected space that remains active during the day while u r sleeping?

        Not exactly. When the target touches or interacts with something, the illusion falls away and reveals what's really there for a few seconds. So unless they're locked in a windowless room where they can't punch through walls, kick down the door or whatever. It's a matter of running their hand along the wall in order to escape.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tsusasi View Post
          It's a matter of running their hand along the wall in order to escape.
          Yeah, sure... The Elder power and final dot in Obfuscate, which costs at least 3 Vitae and a willpower point is beaten by sliding ones hand against the illusion that tricks your mind
          It's not like the entire wall would be considered one subject, and finding the way out would be pure luck in those seconds. Even if you get a few seconds to see the exit, afterwards you're still fooled by the illusion again, and I'm pretty sure the same trick doesn't work again.

          But to the OP.

          The user needs not be there, it can be used over any distance. It works during the day and obfuscate only requires minimal concentration beyond the activation part.
          And yes, caging someone inside it or creating a maze is both acceptable and typical uses of the power.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Poseur View Post

            Yeah, sure... The Elder power and final dot in Obfuscate, which costs at least 3 Vitae and a willpower point is beaten by sliding ones hand against the illusion that tricks your mind
            It's not like the entire wall would be considered one subject, and finding the way out would be pure luck in those seconds. Even if you get a few seconds to see the exit, afterwards you're still fooled by the illusion again, and I'm pretty sure the same trick doesn't work again.
            It most certainly is, you should try reading for comprehension sometime because the entry flat out tells you how to beat it. At no point does Obfuscate ever force its victims to react a specific way when confronted with details that indicate it is in use. in fact, that’s exactly the instances that would trigger an automatic immunity for the victim, a perception check, or clash of wills, because only exceptionally stupid people would see an illusion dissipate and go back to blithely believing it’s real rather than realizing some kind of mindfuckery was at play and go about trying to unravel it. But if your elders think that zero skills, three vitae and a willpower point is all that’s needed to install a fully functional labyrinthine prison out in the middle of nowhere with nothing then they’re the ones who are exceptionally stupid. That’s the kind of stunt some powertripping newbie Mekhet or Nosferatu does unaware of the extent and limitations of their powers tries to do. Any elder worth the designation would enact the illusion in a place that more closely resembles the effect they want, rather than create ridiculous incongruities that can’t stand up to a simple perception check. Oubliette is a time wasting distraction only as useful as the effort put in to establish it, not an instantly erected inescapable Force Cage.

            You so aptly point out why running a hand along an illusionary wall works. By all means, say a wall isn’t a single object, since interacting with multiple illusionary objects at once temporarily dispels the effect over a wider area. As for destroying the illusion, it’s much simpler than that. All the victim has to do is spend a willpower point and lash out and one success brings the whole illusion crashing down whereas with a perception check, the individual simply sees through it to get out.
            Last edited by tsusasi; 06-01-2018, 09:24 AM.

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            • #7
              Well, I wouldn't say automatic immunity or a clash of wills would be provided for someone merely running their hand on an obfuscated wall. Oubliette mentions that minor changes would be considered a trick of the light, and the only Obfuscate power that even mentions a lashing out breaking it is Cloak of the Night. Mortals especially can't lash out to end it's effects.

              Oubliette also doesn't say that interacting with multiple objects at once dispels it's effects over a wider area; I've double checked to be sure, and it even mentions that most people will dismiss minor changes as a trick of the light.

              Sure, any Elder worth their salt would never rely on Oubliette entirely (they'd probably have a labyrinthine area set up already while only using minor amounts of obfuscate because of the possibility of auspex), but to say that the highest power of obfuscate can easily be defeated seems like no elder would actually ever rause obfuscate beyond leve three.

              Also, the Familiar Stranger power doesn't dispel till the end of the scene: so if a Kindred makes a stick appear as a knife, then that person will continue believing that said stick is a knife even if it fails to cut anything, so I think that would imply that merely running your hand along the wall wouldn't make them immediately know what is going on.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tsusasi View Post
                As for destroying the illusion, it’s much simpler than that. All the victim has to do is spend a willpower point and lash out and one success brings the whole illusion crashing down whereas with a perception check, the individual simply sees through it to get out.
                That's very specifically for the situation of "you can perceive a vampire using Cloak of Night." You're not going to send the whole house of cards tumbling down without striking the keystone.


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                • #9
                  wondered

                  Can oubilette be used on a Car, or a batter way to obfuscate one?


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                    wondered

                    Can oubilette be used on a Car, or a batter way to obfuscate one?
                    What exactly do you want to do with the car? Do you want to change it's appearance or create an illusion on it's interior. What?

                    Anyway you probably can't if you want to still drive the car, since the Dicipline requires you to draw the parameter in blood which won't work if the car goes outside of the parameter. Other Obfuscate powers would work better even if you had to do it individually.
                    Last edited by Iceblade44; 06-01-2018, 07:38 PM.


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                    • #11
                      which one, if I want to drive the car, while keeping it unnoticed?


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                      • #12
                        A lenient ST might allow Oubliette to be used directly on the car, marking the car doors with Vitae. The book says the character must "impregnat[e] the stones and soil with his blood" but that's just a poetic image considering it'd be impossible to mark a flat without including the entire building.
                        Touch of Shadow can't work on a car due to its Size, unless the vampire is fucking huge, and the other powers either only works on people or modifies previous dots. So without a Devotion it's impossible to use Obfuscate on a car.


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                        • #13
                          Ah forgot that Touch had a limit by Size. Yeah that is a little bit more difficult then what I thought.


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                          • #14
                            maybe a devotion or merit designed to let touch effect larger objects?


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Poseur View Post

                              Yeah, sure... The Elder power and final dot in Obfuscate, which costs at least 3 Vitae and a willpower point is beaten by sliding ones hand against the illusion that tricks your mind
                              It's not like the entire wall would be considered one subject, and finding the way out would be pure luck in those seconds. Even if you get a few seconds to see the exit, afterwards you're still fooled by the illusion again, and I'm pretty sure the same trick doesn't work again.

                              But to the OP.

                              The user needs not be there, it can be used over any distance. It works during the day and obfuscate only requires minimal concentration beyond the activation part.
                              And yes, caging someone inside it or creating a maze is both acceptable and typical uses of the power.
                              You're exactly correct. Also seems like people don't know what an oubliette is, a secret pit to cage someone in order to forget about them. With the way Obfuscate works unless they can defeat it in a Clash of Wills it is completely possible to hide all exits from someone for the full duration, especially given the text of the power say that in prose as dreadful and flowery as deadly Nighshade in bloom. ("can turn an alleyway into a maze that nobody can escape from") I mean the vampire is turning your own mind and senses against you, the only reason your hand can lead you anywhere reliably is if you can trust you sense of touch and own mind, and Obfuscate makes your senses and mind betray you.
                              Last edited by Pale_Crusader; 06-01-2018, 09:44 PM.


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