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  • Sanctified Mad Scientist: How to Do?

    Inspired by me realizing Theban Sorcerers are more likely to be acadmics and scientists than the Acolytes are, given how both the traits used for Sanctified magic are both very useful for a more mundane career in experimentation and publishing papers;

    One of the character ideas I have for the Contagion Chronicle is a Sanctified doctor who effectively runs a hospice for the larger Cryptocracy; he was someone who already regularly cared for changelings, Beasts, and Sin-Eaters as what he regarded as part of his duties as a shepherd of man ("In case you haven't noticed, they're better at other aspects of being noble monsters than we are"), and because he genuinely likes helping people, and eventually he nursed a member of the larger Sworn factions back to health, and was introduced to the larger struggle, becoming one of the Majestic due to the Cryptocrats explaining things in a way that made the most sense to him ("Society is a body, the Contagion is a disease that infects weakened parts of it. Help us vaccinate it?"). It also largely does not matter, because this has something to do with purely vampires.

    See, he also has an Independent Study merit; he thinks most Dragons are yelling at clouds when they talk about being the Defiant, but the idea of enhancing being a vampire appeals to him; is it not holy to be the best you can be as the Damned? He's regularly let into their symposiums, and he's since developed a theory about Theban Sorcery that its properties are transitive; if the Man is the part that formulates all the occult equations and meditates on the faith to will repeatable miracles into the world, doesn't that sound a lot like mathematics? Like, say, the kind used in chemistry? Quite simply, he wants to use Theban Sorcery to create new types of medicines and drugs, some of which he plans to use to treat worse illnesses, others to secure funding from the Covenants (ie, vampire-enhancing steroids and draughts of truth).

    So, my question is, how would you represent this in game terms, and how will it all go wrong, because of course it will (probably in the process of going right, since he's meant to be mostly an ally)?



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    Scales developed from Theban miracles instead of Coils? (Dunno if that even makes sense; been awhile since I read Vampire) I imagine not all Dragons will be chill with the idea, and may sabotage the efforts.

    Also, focusing on the formulaic, mathematical parts of sorcery to replicate desired results may lead to him feeling a lot like Clan Tremere and their Thaumaturgy from VtM. This secular approach to God-given miracles may also invite unwanted attention from other Sanctified.

    There’s always the option of introducing the Strix, either as an antagonist or an unexpected ally. An Owl may loathe a vampire “corrupting” himself by dedication to Man’s rationality. Or entertain the idea of helping the vampire reverse-engineer Theban Sorcery so that it may devour the results, dual-wielding Crúac rituals and Theban miracles.


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    • #3
      If you want to go the route of a Sanctified docter, remember to keep the miracle part of TS in. One way I can imagine it is that the drugs and medicines he creates are the sacrificial components for the rituals. Some get's used in the in the process of the ritual (Like imagine a surgery procedure), others can get used up at anytime and can be kept at stand by. As I said on top, Theban Sorcery isn't normal, it is the work of miracles. Thus when he would use it it wouldn't appear like how medicine normally work, more instantaneous. Think of heath potions. That doesn't mean he can't go about creating these rituals with a academic mind, it's just how it is it won't appear that way, think health potions. I can think it can certainly work however, like have rituals that can heal to varying degrees of health boxes depending on the theban dots, on what type of damage it heals, whether it's a procedure or just a instant drug. Other then health boxes long term conditions, poison, potential banes are things you could tailor rites to. That's how I think of it anyhow.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by 21C Hermit View Post
        Scales developed from Theban miracles instead of Coils? (Dunno if that even makes sense; been awhile since I read Vampire) I imagine not all Dragons will be chill with the idea, and may sabotage the efforts.
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        I wouldn't think scales would work per say, because they are taking from an ability already and finding ways of applying something from it to others. It think it be fine to use Theban Sorcery as is, after all the actual ritual process is left ambiguous. There wouldn't be much difference between a long prayer and offering to going through a surgical procedure of applying to ritual component to the patient. The components aren't the things that's special, it's the process they are used. Conceivably how you do the process can be in anyway you wish it to be.


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        • #5
          Two ideas come to mind.

          - Your doctor can view violating the hypocratic oath as a sin and punish accordingly

          - The doctor can also view medicine as a gift from God to save lives. But it is not everyone who are worthy of such gift. So as befitting of a sanctified you cull the unworthy (not necessarily in a violent manner, framing and getting an unworthy doctor fired can also work.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Maitrecorbo View Post
            Two ideas come to mind.

            - Your doctor can view violating the hypocratic oath as a sin and punish accordingly

            - The doctor can also view medicine as a gift from God to save lives. But it is not everyone who are worthy of such gift. So as befitting of a sanctified you cull the unworthy (not necessarily in a violent manner, framing and getting an unworthy doctor fired can also work.

            Hm, good point. The idea is that he's religious, and that's what motivated him to study medicine; he feels he was put on this green earth to be a healer. Becoming a vampire didn't change that, but he feels driven by the idea he has to account for the fact he needs to feed on his patients. Balance the scales and all; the Church Eternal convinced him that cutting away the disease wasn't a bad thing, and it was simply natural for him to do so, but that doesn't change the fact he hurts people to live now. Fundamentally, he's never bought the idea that vampirism has an inherent divine purpose, because he cannot accept such a power that is so fundamentally bent towards abusing others and bringing out the worst in people is a product of the celestial realm. He has his doubts about his faith, and quietly, he's admitted to himself he has them; he's no Judge, burying his own fear of being wrong under thunder and fury, he genuinely sees why the Dragons are so deeply angry at the Lord. Of course, this also means in some ways he's the most ardent zealot of all; the kind who deals in reforms and ways to adapt the faith to fit his image of it.

            Developing morals and punishment based around medical ethics is an excellent way to express that. And yep, he does not think his methodology conflicts with his faith; to him, math is the language of creation. To write an equation describing motion is to put to paper the idle thoughts of God. Hypocrite, he may be as much as any Sanctified, but cynic, he is not.


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            • #7
              A couple of ideas.
              1. Make a Sanctified Theban Sorceror who acquired Night Doctor Surgery.
              2. If the Architects of the Monolith can use Theban Sorcery to become geomancers, I don't see any reason Theban Sorcery can't similarly be used to create a bloodline of pharmacists. Create a homebrewed where the bloodline progenitor used Theban Sorcery to devise a unique bloodline specific discipline or bloodline gift that let's them to imbue vitae reliquaries to also function as antibiotics, narcotics, anti-psychotics, performance enhancers etc. or perform a surgical procedure that allows transference of the effects of certain self only protective Theban Sorcery rituals onto another.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tsusasi View Post
                A couple of ideas.
                1. Make a Sanctified Theban Sorceror who acquired Night Doctor Surgery.
                2. If the Architects of the Monolith can use Theban Sorcery to become geomancers, I don't see any reason Theban Sorcery can't similarly be used to create a bloodline of pharmacists. Create a homebrewed where the bloodline progenitor used Theban Sorcery to devise a unique bloodline specific discipline or bloodline gift that let's them to imbue vitae reliquaries to also function as antibiotics, narcotics, anti-psychotics, performance enhancers etc. or perform a surgical procedure that allows transference of the effects of certain self only protective Theban Sorcery rituals onto another.
                The Blood (Vitae, in this case) Is The Life, after all. So it should be able to affect aspects of another's Life, properly shaped, yes? But Life/Vitae has no mind of its own, so it requires guidance from a Divine one. The PC's Theban rites could simply be using Divine intercession to shape the inherent Life energies of Vitae toward specific purposes.

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                • #9
                  I'd go from the angle of a natural philosopher. The vampire is more or less a deist who believes that God created the laws of reality, then stepped back to allow the creation-machine to function. The vampire interrogates the supernatural side of these laws, trying to catalog the impact of magic on biology and create a phylogeny of all supernatural creatures.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Leliel View Post
                    Hm, good point. The idea is that he's religious, and that's what motivated him to study medicine; he feels he was put on this green earth to be a healer. Becoming a vampire didn't change that, but he feels driven by the idea he has to account for the fact he needs to feed on his patients. Balance the scales and all; the Church Eternal convinced him that cutting away the disease wasn't a bad thing, and it was simply natural for him to do so, but that doesn't change the fact he hurts people to live now. Fundamentally, he's never bought the idea that vampirism has an inherent divine purpose, because he cannot accept such a power that is so fundamentally bent towards abusing others and bringing out the worst in people is a product of the celestial realm. He has his doubts about his faith, and quietly, he's admitted to himself he has them; he's no Judge, burying his own fear of being wrong under thunder and fury, he genuinely sees why the Dragons are so deeply angry at the Lord. Of course, this also means in some ways he's the most ardent zealot of all; the kind who deals in reforms and ways to adapt the faith to fit his image of it.

                    Developing morals and punishment based around medical ethics is an excellent way to express that. And yep, he does not think his methodology conflicts with his faith; to him, math is the language of creation. To write an equation describing motion is to put to paper the idle thoughts of God. Hypocrite, he may be as much as any Sanctified, but cynic, he is not.
                    I like the idea of your character; however, bare in mind that your character's belief that vampirism has no divine purpose should be considered downright blasphemous in the eyes of his peers. It's not something they can publicly espouse without gaining a huge target on their head.

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                    • #11
                      Or, perhaps that vampirism does have a divine purpose, however that purpose is diverted and perverted by the weight of sins that people casually acquire while they live. It is, in fact, through devotion and dedication to a divine cause, that enables vampirism to function as more than just a magnifying lens for mankind's worst impulses. Vampirism could be viewed as like handing an atom bomb to a child: their irresponsibility gets everyone around them into trouble. In wise hands, however, that same power is a potent force for mending the wreckage humans leave of each other--let alone the depredations of his peers.

                      "Uh, doc? I thought we were prepping for surgery? What's with all the candles?"
                      "Nevermind that, son, focus on the monitor and keep repeating the words.... Look away a bit, this IV will sting."

                      --Khanwulf

                      PS. And yes, he's going to run afoul philosophically and practically with his Sanctified and Dragon colleagues. Digging into that could be the whole point of the PC's involvement, and in thought-oriented ways (academic, theological, medical), not just practical. Think Name of the Rose, and Da Vince Code stuff here, looking for breadcrumbs that the Good Doc is not alone nor first in his thinking.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Khanwulf View Post
                        PS. And yes, he's going to run afoul philosophically and practically with his Sanctified and Dragon colleagues. Digging into that could be the whole point of the PC's involvement, and in thought-oriented ways (academic, theological, medical), not just practical. Think Name of the Rose, and Da Vince Code stuff here, looking for breadcrumbs that the Good Doc is not alone nor first in his thinking.
                        It's definitely got a lot of plot-hooks for a Storyteller to work with.

                        In the spirit of Da Vince Code, it could be interesting if the character was in a trusted and powerful position, too. Rather secretive about his doubts in his faith for the sake of political advancement within the Lance et Sanctum.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jack View Post
                          It's definitely got a lot of plot-hooks for a Storyteller to work with.

                          In the spirit of Da Vince Code, it could be interesting if the character was in a trusted and powerful position, too. Rather secretive about his doubts in his faith for the sake of political advancement within the Lance et Sanctum.
                          Well my point was that it could be not so much doubts in his faith, as in doubts in the emphasis and exercise of faith by his fellows. You could use this character as a kind of vampiric Martin Luther--who set out to reform the Catholic Church by pointing out first privately and then publicly what he identified as excesses. Luther was also preceded by a variety of figures who, likewise but more quietly, attempted to keep the natural human impulses of the Church's leaders in line with their scriptures.

                          There is a lot of history you could template off of for a very fine investigative and church political story arc with plenty of travel and deeply buried secrets the PCs never wanted to know....

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