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  • #16
    oh an idea I just had?

    Safe to say someone whos been blood bound dominated whatever, by the enemy

    The Sanctum would want a confession?

    Invictus would want a formal debriefing.

    What would other covenants want?


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post

      ROFLS at that.


      Any practical reasons?

      enjoyed mental picture of some Sanctum crusaders being captured by circle and blood bound and used as Cannon fodder.
      Returning a hostage after bonding them will cost you a lot of good will and even nobodies can talk to other nobodies who might decide that it would be safer for them if someone else was to take you out.

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      • #18
        Fair enough.

        Is it safe to say after a blood bond or even dominate or majesty, theirs likely going to be thorough debriefings confession etc?


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        • #19
          Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
          Fair enough.

          Is it safe to say after a blood bond or even dominate or majesty, theirs likely going to be thorough debriefings confession etc?
          No not really. If covenants make a habit of punishing their members for being unwilling victims of the covenant's enemies, they aren't going to be around for long. They're going to join up with the ones who will avenge them.

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          • #20
            Meant Confessions in religious sense, to help them alleviate any guilt they felt for the Sanctum.
            Last edited by Prince of the Night; 12-29-2018, 12:09 PM.


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            • #21
              Oh I'm quite familiar with the notion of confession. There's no point for kindred to participate since partaking in Mass and Communion would be blasphemous as one of the Damned. The only real purpose it serves is to give the one taking confession potential blackmail quality leverage as they have no ability or standing to intercede to God on the sinner's behalf.

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              • #22
                its mentioned in secrets of the c ovenants and hither and thither in first edition.

                Anyway Is debriefing the right approach?

                "What did you see what orders were you given.


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                • #23
                  Auspex exists, I would assume that if it’s worth questioning someone then it’s probably worth having a Mehket sit in on the debriefing. This would mean that at higher levels (anyone who can regularly get close to the covenant leadership for example) everything that happens to the hostage will be relived and reviewed, having said that the hostage was probably already subject to a full Auspex investigation before he was released.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                    its mentioned in secrets of the c ovenants and hither and thither in first edition.

                    Anyway Is debriefing the right approach?

                    "What did you see what orders were you given.
                    Yes, confession is mentioned in 1st edition. It has nothing to do with participating in Mass and has everything to do with collecting blackmail material and scamming free boons (labeled penance) from vampires who were observant Catholics in life. The “benefit” mentioned for it in the New Orleans setting, was that if you “confessed” to a capital crime Vidal might not execute you but he certainly wasn’t required to forgive and forget and indeed did not forgive offenses often enough to where the prospect of confession was still considered stupid unless you were a masochist.

                    Dominate victims don’t remember what they did while carrying out Dominate induced orders so that’s a waste of time asking. You can’t rely on anything said about someone they are vinculum bound to because they’re supernaturally compelled not to do anything that harms the regnant for the duration.

                    And yes Auspex, Dominate, and Majesty exists on both sides, which brings you right back around to fucking over your own members for being victimized by the covenant’s enemies.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by tsusasi View Post
                      Yes, confession is mentioned in 1st edition. It has nothing to do with participating in Mass
                      You are the only one who is concerned with Mass in this discussion.

                      The benefit of a confessor is that there is a safety valve that allows you to let a bunch of emotionally-volatile bloodsuckers talk about things they've done that are bothering them with an individual who is good enough at listening and keeping confidences that there's an institutional niche for them. The Spear has multiple reasons to care about this that have nothing to do with the trappings of Catholicism.


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