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  • Is The Unholy Claimed?

    With the recent action on the Spilled Blood thread I was thinking about the Brood.

    In Secrets of the Covenants there's the ritual Pledge to the Worthless One. It specifically references Beliel, so I'm assuming this ritual is how one gets Claimed.


    The Pledge has a number of effects that fit with The Unholy.
    • You get all the advantages of being in frenzy. Claws of the Unholy come out whenever you frenzy.
    • You get a witch mark. She's got chicken-skin arms.
    • You get a familiar. Apparently she's always got crows around.

    The theory is contradicted by the fact that the blog mentions that Claimed only embrace larvae, and The Unholy embraced a dude in Chicago. Also, The Unholy never seemed like a joiner to me. But maybe the Brood is a political faction made up of Claimed, and she's simply Claimed.

  • #2
    Well, the Unholy undoubtedly has stronger connections for her Beast than the average vampire, but I'll be wary from saying she is Claimed. Her strange features are a result of the unique form of Embrace, which seems to include the Strix in some way. Of course, that's just what the story says, and it may have in fact included a some form of "claiming", but all we have to work with is stories- and it is also a really cool one, IMO.


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    • #3
      Edit: Nevermind, they embrace draugr, not larvae, I shall be outcast it seems.
      Last edited by Gnomish American; 08-14-2019, 09:47 AM.


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      • #4
        While it’s a possibility, it’s uncertain: she could be empowered/influenced by a great number of things In the World of Darkness. My personal take on her is that she has long been possessed by a particularly powerful Strix- potentially the one who spawned the Gangrel all those millennia ago, and has since achieved Synthesis with her. All her peculiarities are little more than the result of Strix tweaking and forgotten Blood Sorcery.

        But that’s just my take on her. If you feel that she has been Claimed, go for it!

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        • #5
          Yeah originally I probably thought Claimed or alternative clan. Then after Vampire's second edition core probably the result of her sire being a strix synthesis (effectively doubling down on the alternative clan). While our main exposure to clans is the more 'you're a human, but a dead one' big five clans, with the Akhud and others, we've seen that things can go really awry once you get away from that core. And while being alien doesn't really help the whole blending in with humanity thing, as we saw from folks like the Pijavica, you could still have isolated or rare vampires out there who develop wildly differently than the big five do.

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          • #6
            I think the Unholy is a childe of the strix called 'Mother' (check p. 222 of Vampire the Requiem 2e).

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            • #7
              Considering that the Embrace is written from an out-of-character perspective (since the Unholy herself doesn't know) I'm going to be boring and take the book at face value, in which case it's almost certainly the Crone.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tessie View Post
                Considering that the Embrace is written from an out-of-character perspective (since the Unholy herself doesn't know) I'm going to be boring and take the book at face value, in which case it's almost certainly the Crone.
                Probably my preferred interpretation for her origin.

                My personal headcannon is that she doesn't have a sire, and she isn't Claimed exactly. I think she's a cogent vampire with 0 Humanity (I'm going to call the state Draugr+). The Claiming process makes you into a Draugr+ along with some other effects. But no matter what, you get permenant Frenzy, a familiar, and a witch mark (third nipple, chickenskin arms, etc).

                EDIT: Whatever the Crone is, she doesn't have to be unrelated or completely dissimilar to the strix. The Strix know and can use Cruac. Doesn't the Circle think that Cruac came from the Crone?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DubiousRuffian View Post
                  EDIT: Whatever the Crone is, she doesn't have to be unrelated or completely dissimilar to the strix. The Strix know and can use Cruac. Doesn't the Circle think that Cruac came from the Crone?
                  They can learn and teach Crúac, but they can't actually use it without possessing vampires so that they have physical Vitae to spill. There's definitely a connection between Crúac and Strix, but it's almost certainly not developed by or for them or they wouldn't have to go out of their way to be able to use it at all.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tessie View Post

                    They can learn and teach Crúac, but they can't actually use it... but it's almost certainly not developed by or for them or they wouldn't have to go out of their way to be able to use it at all.

                    This just occurred to me (and I don't know how much stock I put in it): The fact that the Strix need to use a vampire to make their Crúac work isn't necessarily evidence for Crúac not being developed by or for the Strix.

                    Why would you want a magic system that uses yourself as fuel? Whoever developed the Theban Miracles didn't use themselves as sacrifices -- they use different objects depending on the Miracle. It seems like other real world "magic systems" and religions use things other than the spell caster as a sacrifice. I think most human sacrifices probably sacrifice someone other than the ritualist.

                    The Strix want bodies, so they steal them. They want vitae so they steal it. They want something to sacrifice that will make a spell work, why not steal the sacrifice?

                    And most rituals require blood to actually be spilt. I could see some vampire getting kidnapped by a Strix and, desperate to escape, thinking to themself "The Strix only throws spells around when cutting on a vampire, right? Well guess that I am!"

                    I mean, doesn't it seem a little perverse that you have to self-harm to get your magic working?


                    edit: Potential origin for Hantu the Sorcerer. It hates the Mekhet because one of their clanmates stole its magic.
                    Last edited by DubiousRuffian; 08-28-2019, 04:29 PM.

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                    • #11
                      The thing is, Theban Sorcery works with sacraments that are symbolically connected to either the effects of the ritual, or the faith of the practitioner. Crúac requires Vitae in the medium of blood, which is greatly connected to Kindred practitioners, but not to Strix. There is really no connection between Strix and blood because they don't use blood for anything.

                      "I mean, doesn't it seem a little perverse that you have to self-harm to get your magic working?"

                      Vampires don't have to. An acolyte can get apprentices and other hanger-ons to spill the Vitae for them. Even a ghoul can use Crúac to its fullest extent as long as they have others to spill the Vitae.

                      Another fact that points away from Strix somehow being the origin of Crúac is that the way they learn Crúac in the game is by stealing that knowledge from Kindred hosts.

                      Speaking of Hantu, his mastery over Crúac is noteworthy enough that he's called "the Sorcerer", implying that it's not particularly common among Strix anyway, and he's also the only example Strix who knows any Crúac at all.

                      My theory for the connection between Strix and Crúac is that they're simply much better at preserving rituals because of how hard they are to kill combined with their reproduction through cell division that could very well automatically spread the memories of the rituals to future Strix, unlike Embraced Childer who don't learn shit.
                      If you want a deeper connection, I'd suggest that they have some kind of relationship with the creator of vampiric blood magic, or at least some ancient practitioners who spread it on to both Kindred and Strix.


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