Bloodline GIfts

[Newes]

I've been away from VtR for a bit, and perusing some fan made / fan enhanced bloodline material recently I noticed that many bloodlines have a bloodline gift in addition to a bloodline bane. Looking around, I see it appear as early as in one of Rose Bailey's posts on bloodlines 6 years ago. I just can't find any reference to it in the rules. Where did bloodline gifts originate?

[Baaldam]

I've been away from VtR for a bit, and perusing some fan made / fan enhanced bloodline material recently I noticed that many bloodlines have a bloodline gift in addition to a bloodline bane. Looking around, I see it appear as early as in one of Rose Bailey's posts on bloodlines 6 years ago. I just can't find any reference to it in the rules. Where did bloodline gifts originate?

2nd edition, if memory tricks me not.

[Tessie]

Since the first posted Bloodline Gifts were "you may spend XP on this", they've technically existed since the first edition core book. They just haven't been called Bloodline Gifts. The only difference in many (but not all) second edition examples is that the first dot/Devotion/advantage is free.

[Newes]

Since the first posted Bloodline Gifts were "you may spend XP on this", they've technically existed since the first edition core book. They just haven't been called Bloodline Gifts. The only difference in many (but not all) second edition examples is that the first dot/Devotion/advantage is free.

So when did the term "bloodline gift" actually appear with any explanation?

[Baaldam]

So when did the term "bloodline gift" actually appear with any explanation?

Definitely the Requiem 2e corebook.

[falco1029]

It's a throwaway mention in the core that was focused on for the first few blog posts and then some fan bloodlines. It's not in Spilled Blood or any of the Dark Eras bloodlines.

"Many times, these bloodlines possess unique Disciplines,
exclusive Devotions, or strange sorceries. All bloodlines have
four Disciplines considered in-clan. These do not always align
with their parent clan Disciplines. A given bloodline may have
one unique Discipline; and nobody outside the bloodline can
learn their gift, even through diablerie."

TBF I wish they DID consistently use it, it's a cooler term and clearer divide in a given writeup than just "New Mechanics" or "New Devotions" or whatnot like SB used.

[Newes]

It's a throwaway mention in the core that was focused on for the first few blog posts and then some fan bloodlines. It's not in Spilled Blood or any of the Dark Eras bloodlines.

"Many times, these bloodlines possess unique Disciplines,
exclusive Devotions, or strange sorceries. All bloodlines have
four Disciplines considered in-clan. These do not always align
with their parent clan Disciplines. A given bloodline may have
one unique Discipline; and nobody outside the bloodline can
learn their gift, even through diablerie."

TBF I wish they DID consistently use it, it's a cooler term and clearer divide in a given writeup than just "New Mechanics" or "New Devotions" or whatnot like SB used.

Thanks. I did find that, but did not think it was what I was looking for. I thought it was just another reference to unique disciplines (which are discouraged now) but I guess it was also referring to the devotions from the first sentence. Since the thing that made me notice the existence of bloodline gifts was that in many new bloodline write ups it is listed as "Bloodline Gift" right after, and in contrast to, the Bloodline Bane, the word gift by itself didn't seem to be talking about that.

[Tessie]

(which are discouraged now)

They're not. The first published 2e Bloodline*, Morbus in DEC, still used Cachexy in the form of a Discipline. The only thing that is discouraged is forcing non-Discipline style powers into the Discipline model, but it's fully reasonable to use the Discipline format if it fits a Bloodline's Gift.

*Drafts for three Bloodlines were released on the blog before DEC, but they're neither finalised nor published as official material.

[saibot]

To be fair, Rose had said that new Disciplines ideally should follow the model laid down in the Corebook, which many of the later Bloodline Disciplines fail at, I believe that is what Newes meant.

The Discipline of the Bron (cannot check the name right now) is a collection of disparate powers, with little hint of buildup. Cachexy fails to deliver horror from the first dot (in fact recognizing the diseased on a glance should probably be an innate Morbus Gift), etc.