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  • Originally posted by Cinder View Post
    Oh, don't worry about that. That was ages ago, before plenty of new Werewolf material and lots of discussions about Pangeans, Hosts in 2nd Edition and such (not to mention I lurked and disappeared quite a bit back then). I tried to salvage the connection between my idigam and my Host as it was made back in 1st Edition, but nowadays I'd rather have Bat giving birth to the Bat Host (which I'm still fond of, don't get me wrong) and have the Obsidian Butterfly as an idigam unrelated to them. I like her too, but to keep that relationship between idigam and the Bats causes problem to both and keeps them bound to each other while also robbing them of potential.

    As far as I'm concerned, if you want to have a Bat Pangean breaking her Omphalus and giving birth to the Suthilu I wrote, you have my blessing. I do the same. Consider it a 2nd Edition update between us fans.

    EDIT: Also, this makes me think that perhaps I should move my Bat Host update higher on my list of things to do
    Actually, my suggestion was that Bat has shattered her Omphalus Stone, and as a result became the Obsidian Butterfly, a.k.a, turning from a Pangaean into an idigam. I'm not saying that all of the Moon Banished are former Pangaean, but it was established that the Pangaeans could become spirits, and the idigam are a form of spirit, right? In my head canon, a pangaean turning into an idigam is something in the style of a mage becoming one of the Mad- that is, shattering their own soul and losing their sense of identity in return, while also gaining a weird ability to twist and change the reality around them.


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    • Originally posted by LostLight View Post

      Actually, my suggestion was that Bat has shattered her Omphalus Stone, and as a result became the Obsidian Butterfly, a.k.a, turning from a Pangaean into an idigam. I'm not saying that all of the Moon Banished are former Pangaean, but it was established that the Pangaeans could become spirits, and the idigam are a form of spirit, right? In my head canon, a pangaean turning into an idigam is something in the style of a mage becoming one of the Mad- that is, shattering their own soul and losing their sense of identity in return, while also gaining a weird ability to twist and change the reality around them.
      Gotcha. Well, nothing wrong with that and it's not an issue to make it work. There was a creature back in Pangea that made war against Helios and Luna and then ripped her heart out in pain and changed herself, becoming the Obsidian Butterfly. The exact nature of that creature before that is not clear, so we can make it Bat without any problems (and since she threw what made her "Bat" into the depths of the Earth, it makes sense for the Bat Host to spawn from there).

      Might be even better than having her and Bat being two separate beings, now that I think about it.


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      • Originally posted by Gryphon's Feather View Post
        I feel that there's plenty of horse symbolism that would make for an interesting Pangaean, but they weren't as important to humans in the Neolithic.
        Importance to humans doesn't matter to Pangeans, that's something spirits enjoy (though don't require).

        Regarding the host connection, we do have at least one host that seems to be linked to an idigam, as opposed to a Pangean. Seems like there's a lot that could happen to them in their shift towards becoming spirits (or other things) that might lead them to becoming something else. Plus these are big, powerful entities with agency of their own, the idea of one of them managing to pull off some hail mary isn't really far fetched.
        Last edited by nofather; 06-17-2018, 03:26 PM.

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        • Flash of inspiration and half-formed ideas before getting carted off to mandatory military training; a Pangaean whose point in time defines what moment is the Present. If it jumps to the Past, then everyone left in the “Present” suddenly register as being in the Future to temporal magics, because the world itself says so, until the Pangaean returns to the “Present” to make it once again the Present.


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          • Another one showed up on Acrozatarim's paetron. Spring is here.

            It's a creepy one. I can't tell if it is alive or a memory.


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            • Originally posted by FallenEco View Post
              Another one showed up on Acrozatarim's paetron. https://www.patreon.com/posts/come-see-flowers-19716778"]Spring is here.[/URL]

              It's a creepy one. I can't tell if it is alive or a memory.
              Is it named Spring (making it “the” Pangaean of spring), or something else (making it “a” Pangaean of spring like Harvest)? At least the post’s title implies something about flowers...


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              • And following the new update for Dark Eras 2, we now have an officially new Pangaean- Crocodile. It seems to be trapped between life and death (I assume it had few dots in Death Arcana which allowed it to cheat death, but still got stuck in an half dead state due to Wolf, I assume). It also created the saharusum, which seems to be crocodile-shifters of some kind, even though it is not yet clear if they are true werebeasts or if they are Hosts of some kind, and also if they are the results of the secret rites of Sobek's priests or not. It also seems to be bound in some way to the ghost of Death Wolf, and that at least one of its influences would be Hunger. While I assume that its finale fate would be revealed in Dark Eras, that's at least a nice spoiler to dwell upon! :P


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                • So after reading Santiago's setting for the Contagion Chronicles, doesn't it seem like Bird is the one responsible for this fresh hell? I mean, a bird-like monster with over-reaching sight which may be just channeling the power and a far more ancient avian monstrosity from a false dimension? Yeah, that's Bird all right.


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                  • That is what I was thinking. I think Acrozatarim responded to it in the Discord but I'd probably go with it as Bird anyways.

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                    • Originally posted by LostLight View Post
                      So after reading Santiago's setting for the Contagion Chronicles, doesn't it seem like Bird is the one responsible for this fresh hell? I mean, a bird-like monster with over-reaching sight which may be just channeling the power and a far more ancient avian monstrosity from a false dimension? Yeah, that's Bird all right.
                      Nah

                      It’s too obvious

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