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  • wyrdhamster
    started a topic [2E fan] Bale Hounds Update

    [2E fan] Bale Hounds Update

    This is my attempt to update Bale Hounds to 2E rules, in variety of ways. It’s based on ideas from books of Blasphemies and Inferno to 1E. I will try to show all possible ways to use Bale Hounds, but will start with ‘secret Tribe’ option.

    What is Sin?

    In those rules, Sin is interpreted as character Integrity Breaking Point in ways of his Vice – the bigger penalty to the roll, the ‘greater’ Sin is. It's all about transgression of inner moral compass of character and the 'thrill' of breaking those boundaries.

    Hounds of Sins

    Bale Hounds are Uratha that want to dwell deep in to their immorality to find what to be human ‘failing’ their own previous moral compass. By washing in Sins, they remember how to be a human, not only Flesh. Seeding Sins in the world, they refill holes First Change left in them.

    Mechanics: All proper Bale Hounds have Bale Hound Merit that gives them Vice, next to Blood and Bone, they can use to replenish Willpower, just like humans do. They also can harvest much more Willpower and Essence for making other people to dwell in to their Vice. Vice is the same or closely relate to Maeljin they serve.

    New Merit: Bale Hound (••)
    Effect: It’s a Uratha only variant of Vice Ridden Merit ( see Chronicles of Darkness Rulebook, p. 46 ). Beside Blood and Bone, this werewolf has Vice, with all repercussion it’s lead to ( like improving Impression in Social Maneuvering ). Beside normal regaining one Willpower per scene, Uratha can also regain many Willpower and Essence points at once when leading other character to fulfill werewolves Vice while making Breaking Point on targets Integrity. Uratha regain number of Willpower and Essence points equal to penalty number on targets Breaking Point roll. For example, Killing in self-defense has basic penalty of -4 to roll, so Uratha with Bale Hound Merit would regain 4 Willpower and 4 Essence points by making target killing in self-defence while under werewolves Vice.
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 04-19-2017, 07:40 AM.

  • 21C Hermit
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
    Bale Hound of Lust is hunting in Colorado! http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/colo...y-a-sasquatch/
    More like a Claimed footsoldier let loose for cheap Resonance-building in the area. Like Malus said above, Hounds who get this blatant are the ones put down by their fellow Bale Hounds, other Uratha, or even hunters.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Bale Hound of Lust is hunting in Colorado! http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/colo...y-a-sasquatch/

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  • Malus
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post

    I would mimick rules from Elodoth Auspice Ability. Source is the same on both powers - Half Moons affinity with Rage - so similar mechanics are okay in context that Elodoth still have more powerful version of it ( by being able to turn off Rage also ), I think.
    I wouldn't, but that's your prerogative.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Originally posted by LokiRavenSpeak View Post
    True both are similar to the Elodoth ability, speaking of which this "Eclipse (Honor)" gift, would send the target into soft or hard rage?
    I would mimick rules from Elodoth Auspice Ability. Source is the same on both powers - Half Moons affinity with Rage - so similar mechanics are okay in context that Elodoth still have more powerful version of it ( by being able to turn off Rage also ), I think.

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  • LokiRavenSpeak
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    Originally posted by Malus View Post
    re: Honor Eclipse - IIRC, it already steps in the shoes of the Cunning facet of the Rage gift.

    True both are similar to the Elodoth ability, speaking of which this "Eclipse (Honor)" gift, would send the target into soft or hard rage?

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  • Malus
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    re: Honor Eclipse - IIRC, it already steps in the shoes of the Cunning facet of the Rage gift.

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  • 21C Hermit
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post

    Flayered Lunes can give acces to Eclipse Gifts and others of Bale Hounds?
    Don't know whether that was the case in 1e, but making them be able to do so sounds like a nice change. It gives Bale Hounds a tangible reward for their blasphemy, other than being done for just it's own sake. Or at least, the Gift of the Tainted Moon should definitely be a Flayed Lune stuff.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Originally posted by LokiRavenSpeak View Post
    Doesnt this steps on the Elodoth auspice ability?
    Well, it is - but it's also the point. Bale Hounds are tempters and manipulators. They are there to make other Uratha fall in their line of seeing things. What better way for destroy other Uratha life, than trigger his Death Rage in worst possible moment?

    Elodoths are still better - they can not only turn on, but also turn off Death Rage in others.

    Originally posted by LokiRavenSpeak View Post
    And as a side note, this gift aside whats the use of a flayed moon? In forsaken 1st they give you the tainted moon gifts but now they seem kinda pointless.
    Flayered Lunes can give acces to Eclipse Gifts and others of Bale Hounds?

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  • LokiRavenSpeak
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
    [/LIST]The Elunim police the Uratha for violations of Honor, seeking balance between human and wolf, Rage and temperance. After the flaying rites of the Bale Hounds, the Lunes look at the broken moon as just further evidence that balance is unnatural, and they are quite happy to teach the Asah Gadar how to upset it.
    Successful use of this Gift forces other werewolves into Death Rage. The Bale Hound need only glance at the target to activate the Gift.
    Doesnt this steps on the Elodoth auspice ability? And as a side note, this gift aside whats the use of a flayed moon? In forsaken 1st they give you the tainted moon gifts but now they seem kinda pointless.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    As I need for my story powers to make characters indistinguishable in murder scene, I thought about updating Gifts of Eclipse. Here are Facets basic ideas I think of – most are original 1E Gifts levels, that will need only few tweaks.
    • Shroud of Darkness (CUNNING)
    This Facets makes whole characters figure stepped in spiraling shades, make here blurry and fully black. Character cannot be pinpoint in direct way who she is, as features are blurred by darkness, so recognizing her deeds doing is almost impossible.
    • Shadow’s Secrets (WISDOM)
    The Uratha can concentrate on any patch of shadow within her line of sight, and attune her senses so that she can hear and smell anything in the vicinity of the shadow.
    • Shroud of the Blinded Moon (GLORY)
    The Uratha can call upon this Gift to summon his own eclipsing shadows. The darkness generated by this Gift is normal shadow, created to mirror the spiritual darkness of a lunar eclipse, and can be pierced by flashlights, sunlight and so on. When used subtly, such as in a dark alleyway or a forest at night,
    the summoned shadow can cloud the poor lighting completely and immerse the area in pitch darkness. Bale Hounds use this Gift in order to confound their foes or make last-minute escapes without the worry of being seen leaving the area.
    • Darkened Moon (PURITY)
    This Gift draws on the power of the lunar eclipse to blot out the werewolf’s victim’s access to the powers granted by Luna. The target suffers characters penalty equal to characters PURITY dots for access to all auspice abilities and even to the boosting dicepools with lunar marks of Renown.
    • Broken Moon (HONOR)
    The Elunim police the Uratha for violations of Honor, seeking balance between human and wolf, Rage and temperance. After the flaying rites of the Bale Hounds, the Lunes look at the broken moon as just further evidence that balance is unnatural, and they are quite happy to teach the Asah Gadar how to upset it.
    Successful use of this Gift forces other werewolves into Death Rage. The Bale Hound need only glance at the target to activate the Gift.

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  • Vent0
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    Originally posted by Malus View Post
    And those aren't the insidious, shrewd Asah Gadar that would live past a year, those are the morons that get put down like dogs. The most priced renown for the Hounds was Cunning, cuz if they got found out, they got shredded. You don't go committing the murders yourself, an Architect of Violence arranges for someone else do them, then likely getting a maeltinent to possess the stupid human and have him take the eventual fall. Sure, the Forsaken might be able to plug the holes on the sinking resonance of their territories, but it'll all degenerate into a hellhole eventually. And the Maeljin will bless the shit out of that guy.
    Seconded. Bale Hounds can already do what they want to further corrupt Resonance. They should be better at getting others to succumb to corruption as well. Probably by passing out subtle Conditions like (drugged) candy.

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  • Malus
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    And those aren't the insidious, shrewd Asah Gadar that would live past a year, those are the morons that get put down like dogs. The most priced renown for the Hounds was Cunning, cuz if they got found out, they got shredded. You don't go committing the murders yourself, an Architect of Violence arranges for someone else do them, then likely getting a maeltinent to possess the stupid human and have him take the eventual fall. Sure, the Forsaken might be able to plug the holes on the sinking resonance of their territories, but it'll all degenerate into a hellhole eventually. And the Maeljin will bless the shit out of that guy.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Originally posted by Malus View Post
    Yet your depiction of demonic entities seem to care little for manipulation, finesse or subtlety.
    Hmm? They are the same shown in Blasphemies. Book shows Bale Hounds as wanting to be more direct in their worship and practice. Those 'homosexual rapist' and 'basement full of corpse' are direct quotes from book.

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  • Malus
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    Yet your depiction of demonic entities seem to care little for manipulation, finesse or subtlety.

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