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  • #16
    Originally posted by nofather View Post
    From the Demon Storyteller Guide, p127. 'The Unchained have even learned that werewolves have their own demonic equivalents. These “pure” beings reject their god’s command and strive to tear down the boundaries between spirit and flesh, returning the world to before Luna imposed her will on reality. These parallels to their own situation intrigue some demons into learning more, gathering sufficient data to conclude what link werewolves have to the God-Machine, if any.'
    Amazing thing to read !

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    • #17
      Originally posted by nofather View Post
      Really, providing they aren't squeamish, the Pure are probably the best werewolves for a Demon to run into. They have a fair amount in common, the Pure aren't squeamish about dealing with other monsters, except in certain situations, they won't automatically see something who deals in souls as a monster that must be hunted down. They've both left their progenitor being.

      From the Demon Storyteller Guide, p127. 'The Unchained have even learned that werewolves have their own demonic equivalents. These “pure” beings reject their god’s command and strive to tear down the boundaries between spirit and flesh, returning the world to before Luna imposed her will on reality. These parallels to their own situation intrigue some demons into learning more, gathering sufficient data to conclude what link werewolves have to the God-Machine, if any.'

      A particularly canny Pure might be able to sense some of the Demon's motives and use their own story to make it feel like they're comrades. Or the other way around.
      They are kindred in a sense due to the similarities regarding the defiance of an Uncaring/Lunatic (hehehe) God(ess/Machine) but one should never forget... The Anshega are not friendly, or tolerant towards ANYONE they see as "impure", demonic paranoia seldom compares to the pogrom that is the xenophobic, Uratha-centric hate-religion of Pure society.

      Even the most anti-technotheist Saboteurs should be wary of befriending the dominant Werewolf nation.
      Last edited by Korogra; 06-26-2017, 04:42 PM.

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      • #18
        Any number of supernaturals to the scale of a nation is dominant to the kindom they survey.
        Individuals though with personal agendas are another story.

        If you were a demon in the woods and while hunting cryptids, and suddenly falling into a group of beastly people devouring an unknown freshly killed monster with bare clawed hands and muzzles full of blood, turning gaze at you, how would you react ?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Korogra View Post
          They are kindred in a sense due to the similarities regarding the defiance of an Uncaring/Lunatic (hehehe) God(ess/Machine) but one should never forget... The Anshega are not friendly, or tolerant towards ANYONE they see as "impure", demonic paranoia seldom compares to the pogrom that is the xenophobic, Uratha-centric hate-religion of Pure society.
          The simple fact that the demon is not Forsaken or human is a plus in its favor. Angels are ephemeral entities created by a vast, powerful entity beyond the scope of man. Demons have more in common with spirits than humans. And as rebels against said entity they are more like the Pure among spirits than the Forsaken.

          The same entry from the Demon book makes further comparisons. Luna and her lunes are compared to the God-Machine and his angels. They are not confusing one for the other, though there is some suspicion that Luna is a cover for the God-Machine, but they notice similarities.

          Providing the demon doesn't step on any toes, reveals itself as a supernatural and doesn't proclaim itself as some sort of Forsaken-sympathizer, it should have a good lead with the Pure.

          Even the most anti-technotheist Saboteurs should be wary of befriending the dominant Werewolf nation.
          This is true but it's not as if Demons are highly regarded as the most trustworthy of individuals. Everyone's out for their own and I doubt the Demon is walking in thinking these beastmen are going to see him as some sort of savior.

          Originally posted by Story Letter View Post
          If you were a demon in the woods and while hunting cryptids, and suddenly falling into a group of beastly people devouring an unknown freshly killed monster with bare clawed hands and muzzles full of blood, turning gaze at you, how would you react ?
          One of my characters would likely be incredibly wary, but also do what they could to take advantage of it.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by nofather View Post
            One of my characters would likely be incredibly wary, but also do what they could to take advantage of it.
            Its always good to have a pair of wings

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Story Letter View Post
              If you were a demon in the woods and while hunting cryptids, and suddenly falling into a group of beastly people devouring an unknown freshly killed monster with bare clawed hands and muzzles full of blood, turning gaze at you, how would you react ?
              Get the fuck out of dodge before risking compromise at an attempt to survive. Risk that compromise if escape turns out to be impossible, or even go loud if the opposition is stiff enough. In that order of priorities.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Malus View Post
                Get the fuck out of dodge before risking compromise at an attempt to survive. Risk that compromise if escape turns out to be impossible, or even go loud if the opposition is stiff enough. In that order of priorities.
                Top priority for sure
                But what if they didn't attack on the first site ?
                I know the sight of murderous beast people is indeed terrifying, but they would notice that you are unaffected by lunacy and maybe they become curious, like tigers in a cage watching you eat a hamburger, wondering what smells so tasty the food of the two-legged or the two-legged himself ? Then comes the first language response, also the stranger smells like human blood (glitch) and also something alien (cryptid contact).

                Now how would you respond as a pure uratha to that?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Story Letter View Post

                  Top priority for sure
                  But what if they didn't attack on the first site ?
                  I know the sight of murderous beast people is indeed terrifying, but they would notice that you are unaffected by lunacy and maybe they become curious, like tigers in a cage watching you eat a hamburger, wondering what smells so tasty the food of the two-legged or the two-legged himself ? Then comes the first language response, also the stranger smells like human blood (glitch) and also something alien (cryptid contact).

                  Now how would you respond as a pure uratha to that?
                  Most Demonic covers would likely face compromise for the not behaving like a person normally would in that scenario, ie. fleeing. In fact, the werewolves noting that you don't suffer lunacy is likely grounds for a check itself. Fleeing prevents that assumption, to say the least actually talking in first tongue (which, can Unchained do naturally?). So you have at least 2 objective reasons to get the fuck out of dodge, not out of a fear response, but out of the real implications that 1) the werewolves are clearly dangerous, 2) the God Machine could come knocking after that encounter.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Malus View Post
                    the werewolves noting that you don't suffer lunacy is likely grounds for a check itself. talking in first tongue.
                    2) the God Machine could come knocking after that encounter.
                    Oooh, I see what you do there !
                    Good ideas popping in my mind, good help you gave here !

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                    • #25
                      Assume their totem learns of this guy who can speak first tongue without any seemingly spirit influences working on him, and it begins to inquire about him, because when that happens, the first question that would pop into everyone's head would be "How the crap can he do that?" Then groups of spirits taking an interest in you and start to unravel your cover.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Malus View Post

                        Most Demonic covers would likely face compromise for the not behaving like a person normally would in that scenario, ie. fleeing. In fact, the werewolves noting that you don't suffer lunacy is likely grounds for a check itself. Fleeing prevents that assumption, to say the least actually talking in first tongue (which, can Unchained do naturally?). So you have at least 2 objective reasons to get the fuck out of dodge, not out of a fear response, but out of the real implications that 1) the werewolves are clearly dangerous, 2) the God Machine could come knocking after that encounter.
                        That depends on what form they are in, and how high ones Willpower is- as some humans who are not Wolf-blooded can resist it for at least a while, very rarely but not impossible.

                        While not running or being affected by Lunacy is a sign something is wrong, at the same time the Anshega will likely not assume they are a supernatural monster immediately , rather that they might be just a really (un)lucky Wolf-blooded who stumbled upon them- so the suspension of disbelief could protect the demon from God-Machine scrutiny at least.

                        ... until they start speaking perfectly eloquent First Tongue( Which they can speak, since it is a "natural" language spoken by a worldwide population of beings) with a deftness even most Uratha will only rarely attain. If the Pure don't start asking pertinent questions/ try to torture-eat information from the Unchained .. the God-Machine will notice something's amiss.
                        Last edited by Korogra; 06-27-2017, 04:31 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Can they speak it eloquently? The human vocal cords and mouth and stuff aren't really suitable for it, even werewolves don't speak it well in human or dalu. I know they can speak and understand it, but eloquently is another matter.
                          Last edited by nofather; 06-27-2017, 04:45 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Now that Korogra mentioned it, the social interaction is going to be a bit troubling.
                            I am highly aware that things can go realy bad too easy. I am worried that the demon might overestimate his power. He easily dispatched in a previous session a party of 5 armed humans without taking his full form and he might think this peculear group of individuls might not be too hard to handle, he might be a little cocky, thats why I want to introduce them in a brutal fashion, to warn him mostly in order to take care rather than anything else.
                            So I am trying to figure out ways in order to soften up the situation without losing horror mood.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by nofather View Post
                              Can they speak it eloquently? The human vocal cords and mouth and stuff aren't really suitable for it, even werewolves don't speak it well in human or dalu. I know they can speak and understand it, but eloquently is another matter.
                              Short answer: Yes.

                              Slightly longer answer: Demons can speak any language that is naturally known by large populations of beings with all the ease of the speakers themselves; down to the most minute of idioms and permutations. Now how they they would do this in Cover is slightly unclear, though if I were a betting boy I'd say it is a combination of their vocal chord structure undergoing very small quantum shifts along with a very, very limited form of information transmission that angels employ to communicate with any being they encounter.
                              Last edited by Korogra; 06-27-2017, 04:56 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by nofather View Post
                                Can they speak it eloquently? The human vocal cords and mouth and stuff aren't really suitable for it, even werewolves don't speak it well in human or dalu. I know they can speak and understand it, but eloquently is another matter.

                                I think they can, demons can speak even special idioms of languages perfectly, like anciend saxon dialects or even languages that don't exist anymore as long as they have heard them spoken, only fantastic languages that don't belong to real people's native origin are excluded, so they can't speak orcish or elven languages, on the other hand if they ever had experience with real orcs or elves that might be another story. So yes they can speak the first tongue if they have heard it pronounced by beast people or spirits.

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