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  • Why Totem cant teach Gifts?

    So reading the Corerulebook the other day i found out that for some reason Totems can teach gift to their pack.

    Does anyone know why? I mean it kinda says why in-setting but OOC? Seems like a weird new rule to me.

    The closest i can think off is to avoid a pack constantly changing totems to get all sort of gift for very little but even then thats seems more of a issue of player trolling the DM.


  • #2
    It explains why in The Pack.


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    • #3
      I hope they can in 2nd Edition or even allow you to use gifts differently.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Story Letter View Post
        I hope they can in 2nd Edition or even allow you to use gifts differently.
        This is how it works in 2nd ed

        Originally posted by The Pack Page 64
        GIFTS
        Totems can’t impart Gifts to its pack; something in the
        totem bond interferes with this. The totem can tear Gifts
        into the souls of Uratha but most are wary of dealing with
        any werewolves outside their pack. Some Uratha bargain the
        services of their totem in exchange for Gifts from another
        pack’s patron


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        • #5
          Originally posted by The young man in the cafe View Post

          This is how it works in 2nd ed
          Yes, as i said i know why In character the totem can teach but i was wondering what was the game reason for this rule.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LokiRavenSpeak View Post

            Yes, as i said i know why In character the totem can teach but i was wondering what was the game reason for this rule.
            Ah, sorry. My guess would be it is because allowing your totem to grant gifts make it too easy to get them, since normally you have to bargain with or hunt spirits for them.


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            • #7
              Plus it provides some incentive to interact with non-friendly or at least not-close spirits.

              EDIT: Also so you don't make your totem based on your Gift needs.
              Last edited by nofather; 06-28-2017, 08:18 PM.

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              • #8
                "The wolf must hunt," is probably the OOC guiding post here. You have to "hunt" for your Gifts. Getting them from your Totem isn't "hunting" for them. It's asking a close ally for help.

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                • #9
                  The game-design reasoning is so the characters get out into the world and work for what they want. Why expend the effort of hunting down something else to force or cajole it into giving you a Gift if you can sit at home and make the totem do it?


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Heavy Arms View Post
                    "The wolf must hunt," is probably the OOC guiding post here. You have to "hunt" for your Gifts. Getting them from your Totem isn't "hunting" for them. It's asking a close ally for help.

                    One would wonder why they call them "gifts".

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The young man in the cafe View Post

                      This is how it works in 2nd ed
                      Ooooh hunting magic !

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Raistlin View Post


                        One would wonder why they call them "gifts".
                        They should have been called ''forces'', because they are forced inside you ... um that doesn't sound very good...
                        Last edited by Story Letter; 06-29-2017, 09:40 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Raistlin View Post
                          One would wonder why they call them "gifts".
                          The entirety of the Shadow is built upon the predator-prey relationship. Play-acting a hunt without killing the spirit at the end is sacred not just for the werewolf.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nofather View Post

                            The entirety of the Shadow is built upon the predator-prey relationship. Play-acting a hunt without killing the spirit at the end is sacred not just for the werewolf.
                            Can you hunt your own totem ?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Story Letter View Post
                              Can you hunt your own totem ?
                              Sure. It would make sense for a more 'prey' spirit like Rabbit, though. But a totem can join in on the hunt as the predator side, as part of the pack, so it's not limited to being a target.

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