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    So on the latest game session one of my new player had Wolf-Blooded character. He has Shadow Twin Tell - but for story reasons - I killed his twin in Hisil when character switched realms. With dead twin - the Tell is useless. But then what to do with character? As ST - should I made him 'evolve' and develop new Tell in place of 'lost' one? If yes - maybe you can point some Tells thematically related to Shadow Twin, so development would be more 'logical'.


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    How did it die? It was a plot-scripted death? If not, just make the twin appear alive again next night like if nothing happened. Tells are weird that way and is a good mystery to throw at them.

    EDIT: Better still, treat the twin as a spirit that was discorporated and will eventually reform next to its fetter, the PC.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Thorbes View Post
      How did it die? It was a plot-scripted death?
      The Idigam ate him! It was an answer to PC's 'I just go to Shadow Realm to escape my imprisiment' plan. And to put dread in character - As I understand, you always feel your Shadow Twin, like organ you never had, yes?

      Originally posted by Thorbes View Post
      If not, just make the twin appear alive again next night like if nothing happened. Tells are weird that way and is a good mystery to throw at them.
      Hmm... maybe, but this seems a bit too weird in my POV then....

      Originally posted by Thorbes View Post
      EDIT: Better still, treat the twin as a spirit that was discorporated and will eventually reform next to its fetter, the PC.
      THIS sounds interesting! <Checks spirits rules>

      Originally posted by WtF 2E, p. 186
      Spirits that lose all Corpus from lethal or aggravated wounds explode into bursts of ephemera stylized to their natures. For example, a forest spirit dies in a hail of rapidly vanishing pine needles. The spirit isn’t actually dead, though, merely returned to dormancy unless it has also run out of Essence. If it has even a single Essence point remaining, it reforms in a safe place (a Resonant location, usually), hibernating. Once it has regained Essence points equal to Corpus dots, it can spend an Essence point to reawaken. As the spirit can’t act while hibernating, this means waiting for the one point of Essence a day that it receives for being in a suitable area to slowly build up to the spirit’s Corpus — which means that more powerful spirits take longer to recover from being “killed.”
      So here are questions to Shadow Twin Tell then:
      1. What stats will have Twin as spirit? Just makes PCs Attributes in to average Power, Finesses and Resistance and go from there?
      2. How Wolf-Blooded can collect Essence for it's Shadow Twin? WHAT kind of Essence should it be, of what Resonance?


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      • #4
        I don’t think you’d need to stat up the Twin as an actual spirit, though. Just say it’s a pseudo-spirit of some sort, with details just close enough for the story’s needs. (In this case, discorporation)

        If stats are needed, I recommend Rank 1-2, since a human soul is apparently Rank 2 and a Shadow Twin doesn’t sound like a ‘whole’ soul.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by 21C Hermit View Post
          I don’t think you’d need to stat up the Twin as an actual spirit, though. Just say it’s a pseudo-spirit of some sort, with details just close enough for the story’s needs. (In this case, discorporation)
          I still need Corpus rating of Twin - and by this, I need Resistance.

          Originally posted by WtF 2E, p. 186
          Once it has regained Essence points equal to Corpus dots, it can spend an Essence point to reawaken.


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          • #6
            I still prefer saying that you could just have the Twin reform at a dramatically appropriate time, rather than a fixed interval.

            Or just use derive its Resistance from the Wolf-Blood’s stats in whatever way you like, cap it to the limit for Rank 1 or 2, and voila.


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            • #7
              Or the Void, that is in existence now makes the character a Waystone.

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              • #8
                Since it's a twin linked to the Wolf-Blooded character, just use the character's Health as Corpus, if you don't want to just have the twin show up when it's dramatically appropriate like 21C Hermit suggested.


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                • #9
                  I'm with Tessie, they are twins after all so it makes sense that they have similar capabilities (Corpus=Health)


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                  • #10
                    Sanctity of Merits, tell is represented by a Merit (or at least additional ones are) so let them chose another or allocate merit dots to something else.

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                    • #11
                      Okay, I will go with Health = Corpus route, to make player wait sometime for reemerging of his Shadow Twin. Till this day I describe the feeling as missing the limb - limb that is not on your body, but much more, in your soul. I will mark each day slowly return of 'feeling the limb'. as Essence will build up in PC.
                      But we still do not have answer to second question...

                      Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                      2. How Wolf-Blooded can collect Essence for it's Shadow Twin? WHAT kind of Essence should it be, of what Resonance?
                      How Shadow Twin can collect Essence? What kind of Essence should it be? There are no 'Wolf-Blooded Essence' in game world that I know.
                      Last edited by wyrdhamster; 12-23-2017, 04:28 AM.


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                      • #12
                        All the Essence created by its twin.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by nofather View Post
                          All the Essence created by its twin.
                          But WHEN Wolf-Blooded would create Essence? If we do not have Resonance, how can I judge Essence is created?


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                            But WHEN Wolf-Blooded would create Essence? If we do not have Resonance, how can I judge Essence is created?
                            Resonance is not dependent upon specific spirits existing for it to exist and wolf--blooded are not subject to any special rules about their actions having spiritual consequences. If the character experiences strong emotions or perceptibly aligns themself with a concept, that's going to make ripples in the Shadow.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                              So on the latest game session one of my new player had Wolf-Blooded character. He has Shadow Twin Tell - but for story reasons - I killed his twin in Hisil when character switched realms. With dead twin - the Tell is useless. But then what to do with character? As ST - should I made him 'evolve' and develop new Tell in place of 'lost' one? If yes - maybe you can point some Tells thematically related to Shadow Twin, so development would be more 'logical'.
                              I think part of this is an issue with how you chose to deal with the Gauntlet and this Tell.
                              Even if PCs enter the Shadow through the Gauntlet at the same point (a reflective surface, Waystone Wolf-Blooded, or a locus), the PCs are not guaranteed to actually make it through at the same place or even the same time, or even at all. Your player's Shadow Twin isn't necessarily going to poof into the realm imprisoned, regardless of your PC being imprisoned. It isn't like a multiple personality. They don't share the same space. It could happen, if your Shadow Twin were constantly being tugged around to the approximate places in the Shadow, but that would be a failure of the game mechanics if your PC (not in the Shadow) were to accidentally waltz their Shadow Twin into the maw of a particularly nasty spirit, completely without player awareness. As such, it is ST's responsibility to think of these things in light of an absence of rules related to the Shadow Twin tell.

                              Given that there is a missing Shadow Twin that has discorporated, a Waystone tell may be appropriate until their Shadow Twin regains Corpus, in addition to perhaps awarding a bonus tell to bleed an Essence (or Willpower) that only the Shadow Twin recognizes and can feed off of, until the Shadow Twin reforms. Consider the Open Condition as well. With these two tells and condition, it will create a disincentive to use their Shadow Twin as a punching bag as without their Shadow Twin's Corpus, the PC's life will become a living hell dealing with spirits looking for a free ride. Additionally, they may end up stuck in the Shadow, or "Caught" in the Gauntlet, and unsure in some cases of how to return.

                              Hope this helps!

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