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    I have the new player that has character concept based on leaving previous Lodge she joined - for ease of discussion assume she wants to leave Lodge of Shield. Here are some questions on mechanics of process in 2E rules.

    1. Can character leave the now Lodge? If yes, can character later join another one?
    2. What exactly character need to do to leave? Is it some discussion with Lodge Totem - Or something?
    3. Can character stay in Lodge, but be actively opposing to packs under the local authority of Lodge? Would her ex-alliace but still the same Lodge members have greater bonus to find and/or fight her?
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 01-02-2018, 03:14 AM.


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    Some lodges like the lodge of the shield, which are based around human institution may have discharge options. Others, with primal spirits leading them and arcane secrets already shared with someone would likely demand the character be put to death at the affront. So depends on the lodge.

    Again, it depends on the lodge.

    Can there be rivalry within an organization? Yes. What alliance are you talking about? If you were known within an organization, it's likely they know how to find you, and other things of relevance if you go into conflict with that same organization.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Malus View Post
      Some lodges like the lodge of the shield, which are based around human institution may have discharge options. Others, with primal spirits leading them and arcane secrets already shared with someone would likely demand the character be put to death at the affront. So depends on the lodge.
      Lodge of Shield, in the end, IS NOT the Police itself. It's Totems cult in police force - Can you leave the cults on discharge?

      Originally posted by Malus View Post
      What alliance are you talking about?
      In my chronicles settings, local Lodge representation is mostly whole Pack dedicated to particular Lodge. I have Pack made up of Lodge of Shield members and second made up of Valkyrie Mot. Now question is this - Can Lodge adherent still be active Lodge member when he leaves the Lodge's Pack? He de facto goes against local 'church's parish' of Lodge Totem. On the other hand - I have NPC in PCs Pack that is Valkyrie Mot, but she comes from other region, originally.
      Last edited by wyrdhamster; 01-02-2018, 03:15 AM.


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      • #4
        Related question - Can adherent be from other Tribe from the Lodge? Or can he change Tribe and still be part of Lodge? For example, Lodge of Shield is Iron Masters and Blood Talons affair. Can Bone Shadows werewolf be made adherent?
        Last edited by wyrdhamster; 01-02-2018, 03:16 AM.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
          1. Can character leave the now Lodge? If yes, can character later join another one?
          It seems so. At least technically, there is no rule against it.

          2. What exactly character need to do to leave? Is it some discussion with Lodge Totem - Or something?
          Abandon the lodge and not get killed by all the lodge members who they've betrayed and the totem. Also abandoning the beliefs that made you join a cult in the first place.

          3. Can character stay in Lodge, but be actively opposing to packs under the local authority of Lodge? Would her ex-alliace but still the same Lodge members have greater bonus to find and/or fight her?
          Disagreements happen, even among lodges, sometimes they form schisms and separate lodges.

          Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
          Related question - Can adherent be from other Tribe for the Lodge?
          The lodges are not confined to tribes. Even members of the Tribal pillar lodges do not just belong to those tribes. The Lodge of the Shield is no different.
          Last edited by nofather; 01-02-2018, 01:56 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
            Related question - Can adherent be from other Tribe for the Lodge? Or can he change Tribe and still be part of Lodge? For example, Lodge of Shield is Iron Masters and Blood Talons affair. Can Bone Shadows werewolf be made adherent?
            Originally posted by The Pack, page76
            Some Lodges are strongly associated with a particular Tribe, its philosophies, or its prey, but it is extremely rare for a Lodge to exclusively recruit from that Tribe alone. If a candidate has the fervor or the Lodge’s cause and the lust for its chosen prey, the cult cares little that the Uratha has the patronage of a different Firstborn.
            Tribe exclusivity is no thing in 2ndED anymore

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            • #7
              So if Wolf-Blooded Iron Masters adherent for Lodge of Shield changes Tribe for Bone Shadows - she can still be adherent for Lodge of Shield, as I read it, yes?


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              • #8
                Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                So if Wolf-Blooded Iron Masters adherent for Lodge of Shield changes Tribe for Bone Shadows - she can still be adherent for Lodge of Shield, as I read it, yes?
                The problem here is that while a wolf-blooded can join a lodge, and lodges aren't exclusive to tribes, Wolf-Blooded can't join tribes.

                So a wolf-blooded can be a member of the Lodge of the Shield. It just can't be an Iron Master or Bone Shadow. The most they get is some affiliation.

                If you've shifted the mechanics so that wolf-blooded can be in tribes then they can do whatever you want them to.
                Last edited by nofather; 01-02-2018, 03:30 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by nofather View Post

                  The problem here is that while a wolf-blooded can join a lodge, and lodges aren't exclusive to tribes, Wolf-Blooded can't join tribes.

                  So a wolf-blooded can be a member of the Lodge of the Shield. It just can't be an Iron Master or Bone Shadow. The most they get is some affiliation.
                  Wolf-Blooded have Merits that bless them as Tribes members - of course they can be Tribe members. They just do not have Siskur-Dah ritual by RAW.

                  WtF 2E, p. 304:
                  ' Some Wolf-Blooded can track their linage down through werewolf families, even for generations. Patterns emerge, and it isn’t uncommon for a Wolf-Blooded who comes from a strong tribal background show to affiliation for that tribe in deep, organic ways. That said, sometimes, a Wolf-Blooded will have a tribal affinity that follows no pattern, or a generations-deep Wolf-Blooded will show no sign of her heritage.'

                  'Tribal background' means WB are de facto members of Tribe-as-organisation, but they still do not get Siskur-Dah and Gifts lists.


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                  • #10
                    'Tribal background' stands for his family and ancestores, not that they are part of the tribe. They show 'affilation' for the tribe more often after first change

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
                      Wolf-Blooded have Merits that bless them as Tribes members - of course they can be Tribe members. They just do not have Siskur-Dah ritual by RAW.

                      WtF 2E, p. 304:
                      ' Some Wolf-Blooded can track their linage down through werewolf families, even for generations. Patterns emerge, and it isn’t uncommon for a Wolf-Blooded who comes from a strong tribal background show to affiliation for that tribe in deep, organic ways. That said, sometimes, a Wolf-Blooded will have a tribal affinity that follows no pattern, or a generations-deep Wolf-Blooded will show no sign of her heritage.'

                      'Tribal background' means WB are de facto members of Tribe-as-organisation, but they still do not get Siskur-Dah and Gifts lists.
                      It gives them a link to the tribe, it doesn't make them a member of the tribe. Like how the Devil Inside Tell gives you classic signs of demonic affiliation, it doesn't make you a demon.

                      All the Tribal Background Merits mean is that you have a link to one of the tribes and gain the benefits of the Merit.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nofather View Post

                        It gives them a link to the tribe, it doesn't make them a member of the tribe.
                        Potato, potato - If WB hunts with, works and helps his family in Pack that is following particular Tribe creed - he joins particular Tribes philosophy. The same way as Sleepwalkers are members of Orders in Mage, having limitem duties in organization.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post

                          Potato, potato - If WB hunts with, works and helps his family in Pack that is following particular Tribe creed - he joins particular Tribes philosophy. The same way as Sleepwalkers are members of Orders in Mage, having limitem duties in organization.
                          There's no totemic bond between Wolfbloods and Firstborns, just stuff that comes easier to them on account of custom or training.

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